This is a discussion on Testing within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; First post ever in this section? 



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New section= good idea to get newbees to stick around for more than the passwords to the freerolls. good ev for time spent, imho 
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..although my PS roll was like under $80 when i got 3rd so.. 
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I'm playing 10$ 45man sng's I lose 3 win 1 and ITM many kind of thing, that keeps me afloat...Do you really think BR management applies in Mtt's compared to cash games? I know it should apply in sng's. 
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that's almost godlike... 
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where k is a constant adjusted for how rigged each site is against you. 
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well if anything BRM can apply more in MTTs than SnGs because the variance is higher. but the PS $3r.. i know with your style you cash a pretty high %, so there's a good chance that even with $100 consistently in your account, you wouldn't be at risk. bankroll guidelines tend to be extremely conservative because it's kind of about how much you need to withstand even the harshest end of variance and bad luck. worst case scenario sort of stuff that you in all likelihood won't experience
$30 is definitely way too little to withstand a bad run, but as long as you have more funds that you can reload without problem just in case, then it's not that big of a deal imo 
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Where did the k come from anyway?
It can't be a constant adjusted to how a site is rigged against me because according to my math each site is rigged 100% against me at every site I have a cash acount at, therefore no possible way to adjust from one site to the next. After all we all know poker is rigged (be it online or brick and mortar) simply because AA and AK does not win every single time that is unless the other guy has it. Zach...please explain the calculus of K? 
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i got a blah, blah, blah, what, huh, and what. damn i suck at math, from this post. it's a good thing you are around to confuse the newbs. lol on a side not. finally we have a section where i might be better at this game then the rest. 
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lol you guys do realize I'm just making random crap up right? I thought about adding in another constant that was the number of stars you can see when you look at the sky at night . 
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Glad you asked: Here's the equation again: BR needed = 3.5*top prize  10*expected ROI +3.792833*k If this were not an estimate we wouldn't use only top prize, but we would use all the prizes, probability of winning each one, and calculate the probability of busting to determine the BR needed. Instead we simply use the top prize assuming that we will be in different payout structures in a somewhat bell curve. The ROI normalizes it as if you have a high ROI you will be further to the right (towards the top prize) and if you have a low ROI you will be further to the left. Now what we do is integrate the curve, and we take the area under a certain amount of money to be total money. Since it is a normal curve all the probability adds up to one, so the area under the curve is an approximate weighted average of the money and our probability. It's been calculated that even the most rigged site only takes $3.792833 from an average player, so someone with a 0 ROI and 100% rigged will need $3.792833. But we still don't know if k is linear, quadratic, etc. We know two points, so we need to determine the order of k. Since we realize poker is rigged and although we can't explain it we know when poker is x% rigged, we just kept playing until we had a session where we just knew it was 50% rigged. We lost exactly $1.90 which is half of the 100% number rounded. So we determined that k is linear and we can use the formula included. It has been extensively tested and scientifically proven. Let's use it to determine the approximate BR needed if we assume that Stars, as we know it is, is 100% rigged, and our ROI will be 10%: BR needed = 3.5*top prize  10*expected ROI +3.792833*k BR needed = 3.5*5520.68  10*0.1 + 3.792833*1 BR needed = $19,326 
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MAN! Being new and all, this site is a bit difficult to manuver! I'll try again! Now, considering I flunked Math twice in college, BUT pulled a 98% on my high school Algebra finalisn't there an easier way to figure out what rebuys, addons etc. should be other than what you guys are TRYING to explain to us newbees??? Sumpin' like, oh I dunno, never buy into an MTT w/ more than 2% of your bankroll OR drop out before the blinds reach you when table stakes are 10%+ of your roll in ring games OR sumpin' simple to remember and keep the calc book closed????

