"terrible bet?"

Villain said "terrible bet" after he folded. I am not sure what he means. Here's what happened.

2c/4c 6 man ring game. I had been folding almost everyhand
preflop. After two rotations, I got 23 offsuit on BB. 3 limpers so I was able to check. Flop is J66 with two spades.

SB checks. Then I figure since I had barely played any hands, I might as well try a steal here and maybe set up for future action later. I lead out with 12c into 16c. Everyone folds to the SB, who calls.

Turn was a nothing card. The guy’s a conservative player so I know he
has something. But I had been playing even tighter, so I figure I
might be able to push him off a weak J. I fire 34c into 40c pot. He
folds, shows AJ and says “terrible bet.” Does he mean I should have
tried to bet smaller to extract more value with a 6?

He thought you had the 6 from the sound's of it, I doubt he thought you bluffed him if he showed aj .

nice play, dangerous but nice, sometimes people would call, he played terrible though not raising ace jack, so you could have a wide range of cards

Yes agree with the others he played it badly. you were lucky to get out alive

Played it fine

Who is to say whether you played it right or wrong.Play it any way you want.Whatever the outcome is can never change so just go for broke whenever you can and don't worry about the probabilities to much because of the fact that cards are cards.You never know exactly what card is next in the deck.

onetime said:

Who is to say whether you played it right or wrong.Play it any way you want.Whatever the outcome is can never change so just go for broke whenever you can and don't worry about the probabilities to much because of the fact that cards are cards.You never know exactly what card is next in the deck.

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If you agree that poker is a game of skill then there has to be a correct line in any situation.

If not its a purely a form of gambling and no matter how much you study you will never be able to improve as there is no correct line in a given situation.

From the sounds of what you wrote, you are a gambler and not a poker player.

He folds, shows AJ and says “terrible bet.” Does he mean I should have tried to bet smaller to extract more value with a 6?

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What he really probably meant was, "I'm angry that I have to fold TpTk like this and I'm going to say something mean to this guy."

Bovinity said:

What he really probably meant was, "I'm angry that I have to fold TpTk like this and I'm going to say something mean to this guy."

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yeah.. obviously dont put too much stock in criticism from people you have just beaten!

I think you both played the hand about as badly as it could be played but that's not what you were asking.

He said it was a terrible bet because he believes that you held a 6 and that he made a good fold. There are not many polayers who will fold TPTK in this situation hence its not a good idea to be double barrelling the turn here.

As you were OOP there wre still 2 players left to act whom you had no info on, so it was a bad flop bet too.

23o is an awful hand and with 3 limpers and a pot where you are likely to be OOP I do like the check, but wit the intention of folding not committing long run suicide.

He thought you had a six... I would never have put you on it cuz you bet so much on the flop. I probably would have called the turn, but I wouldn't have liked it. I would have put you on a weak J, raising the way you were.

Well yeah, all things being equal, that is a terrible + very high risk bluff. But in that particular situation, it was how tight I had been up to that point plus how bad a bluff it would be that convinced the others that I was unlikely to be bluffing. If SB was a calling station, then I would have shut down after he called the flop. But this guy had shown himself to be aware of what's going on previously. It's probably the riskiest stone cold bluff I've done, but that was one spot that I thought I could steal it.

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Well yeah, all things being equal, that is a terrible + very high risk bluff. But in that particular situation, it was how tight I had been up to that point plus how bad a bluff it would be that convinced the others that I was unlikely to be bluffing. If SB was a calling station, then I would have shut down after he called the flop. But this guy had shown himself to be aware of what's going on previously. It's probably the riskiest stone cold bluff I've done, but that was one spot that I thought I could steal it.

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Its obviously nice when things work out but the fact is that if you view this as a good bluffing opportunity then you must see other similar situations as good bluffing opportunities.

OOP on the flop is bad but there is something even more worying and its this

If SB was a calling station, then I would have shut down after he called the flop. But this guy had shown himself to be aware of what's going on previously.

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If he isnt a calling station then he folds some made hands on the flop, thus on the turn you face a stronger range. That range gets stronger as you bet into two players left to act on the flop.

If you were HU on the flop everything changes but as played its bad. This is 2c/4c .. whilst you may have the greatest respect for this players abilities I can assure you he is bad.. very bad and knowing that you should stay away from this type of play.

I agree with Stu, I hate your line OP, hate SBs more though lol. Maybe I'm just a nit

I do. Very rarely do I bluff in this situation.

Stu_Ungar said:

If you agree that poker is a game of skill then there has to be a correct line in any situation.

If not its a purely a form of gambling and no matter how much you study you will never be able to improve as there is no correct line in a given situation.

From the sounds of what you wrote, you are a gambler and not a poker player.

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Interesting post.

What if there are several correct lines?

I agree, the bet sizing is far from optimal, if you were trying to extract value with a 6 (the best way to get a J to fold), you would bet smaller, depending on board texture.

There are some players out there who's goal it is to win most pots. I would call these people gamblers.

Then there are those who try to win the most money, perhaps poker players...

I don't disagree with barreling this hand, however I'm going to do it much lighter, to appear I'm trying to extract value with a 6, and by the turn obviously we're drawing dead to slim (can't remember the turn card, but it's irrelevant unless it gave hero straight possibility...)

I don't believe there is generally a 'correct line' for any situation, there are several correct lines, and lines that work in certain situations, otherwise the answer most prevalent wouldn't be "it depends."

But hero took down a decent pot with air, I would have looked him up with TpTk on a paired board...

But it worked for hero against his villain...

But I acknowledge you're addressing his outlook and not his play.

Just caught my attention, and thought I'd contribute my BB.