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revskip
Enthusiast
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mange1234
Legend
Silver Level
mange1234
Legend
Silver Level
Sweet Sixteer
Thanks, that sounds better. I got a list of the sweet 16 off the web, this site
showed AK os And AQ os higher in rank than AK Suited and AQ Suited.
This confused me, so I thought I would though it out to the chatter for a comment.
I just got a book by Ed Miller and David Sklansky "Small Stakes Hold'em"which will have the list in it.
However, I'm confident that the list on cardschat is correct. Just wanted to make sure I did not miss something. Hey, the information is available on the cardschat site, so why not take advantage of it. Just a few key stokes away.
Good luck to all, on and off the felts,
mike
Thanks, that sounds better. I got a list of the sweet 16 off the web, this site
showed AK os And AQ os higher in rank than AK Suited and AQ Suited.
This confused me, so I thought I would though it out to the chatter for a comment.
I just got a book by Ed Miller and David Sklansky "Small Stakes Hold'em"which will have the list in it.
However, I'm confident that the list on cardschat is correct. Just wanted to make sure I did not miss something. Hey, the information is available on the cardschat site, so why not take advantage of it. Just a few key stokes away.
Good luck to all, on and off the felts,
mike
Mase31683
Legend
Silver Level
Seriously? What is this?
The best hands are going to vary based on stack sizes and table dynamics. Of course AA/KK will always have the most equity preflop, but as far as which hands will be the most profitable throughout playing a hand, that's going to change.
If you're in a game where people only have 20bb, then you're going to want to play hands with big card value and AT > 56s. If you're deep-stacked, 200bb+ I'd rather have 56s than AA.
The best hands are going to vary based on stack sizes and table dynamics. Of course AA/KK will always have the most equity preflop, but as far as which hands will be the most profitable throughout playing a hand, that's going to change.
If you're in a game where people only have 20bb, then you're going to want to play hands with big card value and AT > 56s. If you're deep-stacked, 200bb+ I'd rather have 56s than AA.
Mase31683
Legend
Silver Level
I know people love their charts and all, but I really hate them. I think you're better off understanding the type of hand that will play well versus the table in general, then against the villains you're planning to play this hand against.
How deep are the stacks? What is the normal size pot on the flop? What size bets are getting called? What will people stack off with? What kind of implied odds are being laid? Is it normal to get to the flop by limping or is someone generally raising?
Answer questions like these, then use those answers to tailor what hands you are willing to play from various positions. A chart will never answer the questions that need to be addressed.
Case in point, the above chart posted by Rain looks great. It's pretty, has colors, is organized...great! Now tell me you're honestly going to play KTs, QTs, J9s, KJs, QJs, JTs, AJo, KQo from early position. If you want to that's fine, but in the games I was a part of you're going to get your soul crushed and your roll gone like that.
And the worst part is you won't know why you should or shouldn't play the hand. You'll only be doing it because "the chart said to". Are you in a game where players are passive, not raising much preflop, and will stack off with top pair, or 2 pair with potential flush/straights on the board? If so, then that could be the reason for playing these hands from early position. You'll limp hoping to take a cheap flop, and be playing for the straight/flush potential. If you spike top pair then you must be aware of whether villains are capable of limping behind with worse holdings such as Q9, K9, Qxs, Kxs. If villains will play any ace, then again this could rationalize playing AJo in early position. But if this is the type of game you're in then why would you not also take advantage of the fact villains are loose passive and pay off too much by playing all pocket pairs?
Anyway, that's a sore spot for me. I think players worry too much about their preflop play and playing "correctly" whatever they think that means preflop. I understand people want some guidance on starting hands, but please don't treat these things like they're rigid set in stone rules. Think for yourself!
How deep are the stacks? What is the normal size pot on the flop? What size bets are getting called? What will people stack off with? What kind of implied odds are being laid? Is it normal to get to the flop by limping or is someone generally raising?
Answer questions like these, then use those answers to tailor what hands you are willing to play from various positions. A chart will never answer the questions that need to be addressed.
Case in point, the above chart posted by Rain looks great. It's pretty, has colors, is organized...great! Now tell me you're honestly going to play KTs, QTs, J9s, KJs, QJs, JTs, AJo, KQo from early position. If you want to that's fine, but in the games I was a part of you're going to get your soul crushed and your roll gone like that.
And the worst part is you won't know why you should or shouldn't play the hand. You'll only be doing it because "the chart said to". Are you in a game where players are passive, not raising much preflop, and will stack off with top pair, or 2 pair with potential flush/straights on the board? If so, then that could be the reason for playing these hands from early position. You'll limp hoping to take a cheap flop, and be playing for the straight/flush potential. If you spike top pair then you must be aware of whether villains are capable of limping behind with worse holdings such as Q9, K9, Qxs, Kxs. If villains will play any ace, then again this could rationalize playing AJo in early position. But if this is the type of game you're in then why would you not also take advantage of the fact villains are loose passive and pay off too much by playing all pocket pairs?
Anyway, that's a sore spot for me. I think players worry too much about their preflop play and playing "correctly" whatever they think that means preflop. I understand people want some guidance on starting hands, but please don't treat these things like they're rigid set in stone rules. Think for yourself!
Rain92
Rock Star
Silver Level
Hey Mase I totally agree on your points that hands should be played depending on situation and table dynamics. Otherwise its easy to be outplayed when you think that you have the best hand. But like the OP here is clearly not very experienced and a chart like this will do much in helping him get a rough guide on the hands that have good chances to win in many situations. Its then up to the OP to see how to play them postflop as it is merely a guide for starting hands.
The OP has also stated that he wants a starting hand reference so that is what I'm trying to help him with while the more advanced stuff that you have mentioned may get him even more confused for time being. By referring to this chart he may be able to get by the micro stakes. He may then adjust his game later as he has more experience and not be too dependent on it.
The OP has also stated that he wants a starting hand reference so that is what I'm trying to help him with while the more advanced stuff that you have mentioned may get him even more confused for time being. By referring to this chart he may be able to get by the micro stakes. He may then adjust his game later as he has more experience and not be too dependent on it.