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I was watching some poker on television and saw this hand

Player 1 has 7h8s
Player 2 has Kd3d

Flop is 6hKc9s giving player 2 top pair and player one a straight draw.

Player 1 checks and player 2 bets 4,000 into a 12,000 pot making it 16,000. A call of 4,000 to win 16,000 is pot odds of 4:1. A straight draw has 8 outs, ~17% chance or 5:1 to have made the straight on the next card. Player 1 calls the raise but I do not understand why since he is not getting the right price on a call. Even if I think about implied odds I still do not see why. pot odds should be higher than the odds of making the hand for it to be a call and be profitable.


Not that it matters since I'm only interested about the flop but the turn comes 2c and player 1 checks and player 2 bets 12,000 into a 20,000 pot giving pot odds of about 2.6:1. This here would be a clear fold as the price is too high but player 1 still calls. Regardless, why would player 1 call the bet on the flop with pot odds of 4:1 and odds to make the hand 5:1.

Thanks

I just found the video of the hand (http://youtu.be/pxtvkFBosnc?t=5m39s)
 
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Maybe he had also some bluff outs in his mind. But my weakness is deffinetly how to play draws correctly. It also depends on his stack. If he had a huge stack and player 2 had a low stack he can gamble a bit.
 
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Player1 might be thinking about implied odds.
 
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resistivechief said:
I was watching some poker on television and saw this hand

Player 1 has 7h8s
Player 2 has Kd3d

Flop is 6hKc9s giving player 2 top pair and player one a straight draw.

Player 1 checks and player 2 bets 4,000 into a 12,000 pot making it 16,000. A call of 4,000 to win 16,000 is pot odds of 4:1. A straight draw has 8 outs, ~17% chance or 5:1 to have made the straight on the next card. Player 1 calls the raise but I do not understand why since he is not getting the right price on a call. Even if I think about implied odds I still do not see why. Pot odds should be higher than the odds of making the hand for it to be a call and be profitable.


Not that it matters since I'm only interested about the flop but the turn comes 2c and player 1 checks and player 2 bets 12,000 into a 20,000 pot giving pot odds of about 2.6:1. This here would be a clear fold as the price is too high but player 1 still calls. Regardless, why would player 1 call the bet on the flop with pot odds of 4:1 and odds to make the hand 5:1.

Thanks

I just found the video of the hand (http://youtu.be/pxtvkFBosnc?t=5m39s)
Click to expand...

If you don't understand the flop call then you don't understand implied odds. Go read about them again, keeping in mind that implied odds account for how much you THINK you can win from your opponent if you make your hand. If villain has 120K behind and I think I can get his whole stack if I hit a 5 or a 10, then making the flop call is simple.

The turn call is questionable, but could be +EV if both players have enough chips behind. I wouldn't make the turn call in most cases, but it's tough to fairly evaluate that call because you left out important information (the stack sizes of the two players).

Good luck.

-HooDooKoo
 
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Yes stack size would be critical to decide if player 1 was making the right call or not,and it was definantly implied odds he was thinking about.He preaty much knows his opponent has top pair or 2 pair so if he hits one of his 8 outs hes gonna get a lot (if not all) of the other guys chips. I woulda prob folded if i didnt have a lot chips or if i was in top 5 of tourney.But if im in the middle somewhere im callin.So since i dont know if that was a cash game or tourney im even less sure what he shoulda done.
 
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is not 16% but 32% on the flop because outs (8) x4 multiply on the flop and on the turn (2), I think that the player draw straight would play his hand depending on your style of play (losse , tight, nit, call station) so too serious to play standard hand to call with that hand, in my case my style losse prefer to play the hand as CHECK-RAISE flop texture is very light (rainbow) and lends CHECK-RAISE to play it, that's the way I see your question.

you believe that more friends?
 
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