Originally Posted by Mr Whatever
i still disagree with a lot of ppl here. this person is a break even player at 3$. what i see as the problem here is the original player is using med level - advanced strategies with the reference to moshman on a lo limit table and getting mixed results. because again a lot of strategies in these poker books arent meant to be applied for these micro lims unless they are specifically written for these levels.
From what i know of that book, it's a pretty basic sng strategy. That once you know the underlying concepts in the book, you will be able to adjust your game to suit most micro-mid staked levels
your getting called because again these ppl dont care or dont know basic poker strategy. again id recommend u get a few bucks together and take a shot at the higher games just to see if u apply the strategies advocated by moshman in his book and to see if ur game is better set up for a stronger field. there are alot of ppl that can play higher games but have way more trouble playing the micro lims, see if u fall into this category.
This is some of the worst advice i've ever heard. From what i know, moshmans book is very basic, covering all the stuff you need to know to get started, And yes it might seem like it's a really advanced book, but that's only covering stuff like equity, ICM etc. If the guy can't beat the 3's, he is nowhere near ready for the 6es, he will get owned by all the "meh" regs, and he won't know how to adjust to anything else.
Originally Posted by cjatud2012
At least in SNG's, I don't see how you can show a profit by moving up if you can't beat the level you're currently at. It may be different for cash or MTT's, but this really is the case for SNG's, which is what OP plays (also what I play).
If you can't figure out what the best strategy is and adjust to beat the $3.40's on Stars, you are definitely not ready to move up (not saying this isn't the case for OP, just stating in general). To beat the $3.40's, you really just got to play tight in the early phases, bet your hands strongly for value, and steal the blinds once effective stacks are < 10bb's. Don't get wrapped up in FPS in these games. Seriously, bluffing doesn't work so don't do it. It's an easy adjustment to make, and if you can't even do that and the other things, you don't stand a chance if you move up. These are legitimate leaks that need to be addressed.
I mean, it's probably true that the $6.50's play pretty similar to the $3.40's on Stars, same for $6.50's and $2.25's on Tilt, but to me that's not really playing "higher stakes". Even the $16's aren't really considered high stakes, and I know that there are a ton of good regs playing those games. Above that, you're starting to push the smallest edges and the best way to make a lot of money is just to get in a ton of volume.
Finally some sense in the thread. The 6'es however are way better than the 3's, they even have some of the $16 regs filtering down as they can't win on those reg infested 16's tables. Most of those games are just so reg packed that your going to have to be really really good to even show a decent profit.
Originally Posted by Daniel72
The STT´s are dead, try instead the multitable SNG´s, for instance 180mans (turbo, $2.20) on PokerStars. Soft field, easy to beat and multitable - and a great bankrollbuilder !
lol. Hardly dead. And playing those ST MTT's you can expect a lot more variance, they will be harder to multitable than the 9 mans, and if the guy is not overly familiar with 9 man STT concepts, he probably won't do too well in the 180 mans.
Originally Posted by Poker Orifice
It may sound bizarre & I hear many members here on CC say stuff simliarly.
THe thing is.. in micro buyins you can make all the adjustments in the world for the tables... it's still a gross game.
just tried a few for the fk of it tonight.. & all were prime examples
One game I played 3 hands.. Once when blinds were 40\80 I raised in MP with TT... & every single player after me called the raise, LOL @ this kind of play (it was only the 2nd hand I'd played). flop was K65, I check.. guy bets POT.. and two others call.. LOL again (one had 43sooooted & called off the rest of his stack on the turn) < yay.. these are players we want on the tables.. but when there's 4,5 or more of them it can be a real joke. (that same hand on a $10 sng.. I 'might' go hu on the flop there.. or not.
In that game I'm down to 1100chips it's 40/80.. MP minraises.. I'm on BTN with AQs.. I ship obv.,.. and he snapcalls with K6o (I was shocked that I only got the 1 caller, lol).
I think in super micros you're actually better off to play the turbos. In the reg. speed games you're getting 4 & 5 players seeing the flop in early levels.. no preflop raises are respected at all.
idk.. it's just a different game... and to suggest there's not much difference between a $16 & a $2... is totally untrue. In the $16's there are alot of regs., some of them up $50K in profit. The game is played differently at higher buyins. Sure we can adjust (we MUST adjust).. but still imo the super micros are really a joke. (maybe alot of the members here will only have an edge on those kinds of tables?.. who knows?.. maybe they don't know the difference??)
I agree with that statement. I havent played any of the reg speed games, so i really can't comment. But what you say sounds about right to me. And i totally agree that people who say that $3 games play like 16's are pretty stupid, and obviously have no idea what they are talking about.
I've played a ton of the micro 3.40 turbos, it's just like 2-3 "regs" per game (they are not even close to good, and are usually tight push/fold bots) and the rest are just bad average players. Anyways they are so ridiculously easy to beat, all you really need is a set of basic shove/fold ranges and know some decent ranges to re-steal with (all should be covered in moshmans book i'd imagine, might need to actually read it, instead of flicking through it..) and you should be able to beat those games for a tidy profit.