starting hands

AlfieAA · Sep 6, 2012

hiya guys, ive been on cardschat for about a week now and i love it, the guys on here are great, very helpful and i thank you for your time and all your replys to my threads so far......thank you.....

i dont want to get into a habit of asking silly questions everyday so this will be my last one lol.

now ive been taking poker seriously for the last few weeks, and am astounded by all the theory and stratagies their is to poker.....i never knew a card game could be so complicated ....and im definitely not the sharpest tool in the box, hence all these question....eventually all the stuff there is to know about poker will come together....but i will have to work very hard, and i plan on doing that because i love poker...

anyway ive been trying to learn everything at the same time and in turn have gave myself a headache and feel abit lost by it all tbh, so i have decided to start with the basics......im going to learn, starting hands in different positions and outs, odds.....ive been using a proggrame called 'ace poker drills' which was recommended by one of you guys on here and its great....its like a quiz and you work out how many outs you have on the flop....you can change the settings to make it after the turn and river too....excellent App that will deffo help me.....but now i need to know starting hands for each position, because if i get a half decent hand i play it regardless of position and i want to change that......ive seen a few different 'starting hand guides' but they are all different.....theres 1 on pokerstratagy.com that says you need to fold pocket 77-99's in early position....WHAT.....lol.....so does anybody on here know a definitive guide that is respected by all the cc's.....cheers guys

flatcaller · Sep 6, 2012

If your new i recommend playing a tight starting hand system. When i first started taking poker serious i played really tight. once i started getting comfortable i began to expand my starting hand range and when to play what. Now i am comfortable enough to decide what i will play base on the table i am at. Just read basic starting hand guides and figure what makes most sense and simplest for you. Keep it simple and easy, master that then learn a new strategy.

BigCountryAA · Sep 6, 2012

The reason there are so many different starting hand guides is people play the game differently. Some people think folding 77 to 99 in early position while others will tell you to play any pair +AK AQ in early position.

I think most beginner guides for starting hands by position are extremely tight so it gives you a higher chance of winning while starting out.

I don't think you'll find a "definitive" guide as everyone's ideals are different.

I agree with the above poster though. Starting out you should go with tight. Maybe go by the starting hand guide that has you folding 77-99 EP for a bit until you feel comfortable opening up a bit.

kidkvno1 · Sep 6, 2012

BigCountryAA said:
The reason there are so many different starting hand guides is people play the game differently. Some people think folding 77 to 99 in early position while others will tell you to play any pair +AK AQ in early position.

I think most beginner guides for starting hands by position are extremely tight so it gives you a higher chance of winning while starting out.

I don't think you'll find a "definitive" guide as everyone's ideals are different.

I agree with the above poster though. Starting out you should go with tight. Maybe go by the starting hand guide that has you folding 77-99 EP for a bit until you feel comfortable opening up a bit.

^ This, also remember to ABC poker, till you pick up more data.
ABC poker will work better in the micros.

micromachine · Sep 7, 2012

Depends whether you play full ring or 6max but there are plenty of starting hand charts available on the web.

Starting charts are useful to being with but as you move up you will have to adapt your starting ranges according to villain tendencies and table dynamics.

AlfieAA · Sep 8, 2012

thanks everybody for your replys, i have taken it all on board...much appreciated.....@micormachine i play full ring atm....i heard you have to be a good player for 6max lol, im not ready for that yet

JDAWG5 · Sep 8, 2012

https://www.cardschat.com/poker-starting-hands.php

Hope this helps.

AlfieAA · Sep 8, 2012

thanks jdawgs going to have a look now

Bowman · Sep 8, 2012

Just had AA get cracked in a tournament. Short stacked also. I raised but only 2x so maybe I should have done this differently. KO me out of the tournament in eighth or ninth place, so no ITM.
Just saying this as you may want to ask these guys who are knowledgeable how to handle your pocket Aces. I need to.

AlfieAA · Sep 8, 2012

you should have went all in bowman...how many people called your raise?.......tbh it would depend on my image how i would play the aces, and what the table was like....was it tight?.....if it was agreesive i would have went all in and if it was tight i prob would have done what you done

JDAWG5 · Sep 8, 2012

Bowman said:
Just had AA get cracked in a tournament. Short stacked also. I raised but only 2x so maybe I should have done this differently. KO me out of the tournament in eighth or ninth place, so no ITM.
Just saying this as you may want to ask these guys who are knowledgeable how to handle your pocket Aces. I need to.

Need more details.

How many BB's????

If you were the Short stack, then you probably should have shoved-pre, but again need to know how many BB's you had left, and if antes were in play

John A · Sep 11, 2012

alyoung said:
you should have went all in bowman...how many people called your raise?.......tbh it would depend on my image how i would play the aces, and what the table was like....was it tight?.....if it was agreesive i would have went all in and if it was tight i prob would have done what you done

If you have ace poker drills, why don't you use the pre-flop trainer. Since you're saying you need to get comfortable knowing what to play from each position, it's going to drill you in every kind of situation and you'll get explanations on most answers as to why it's best to call/fold/raise, etc... Sometimes there's multiple acceptable answers and it explains that. Have you not tried that part of the program yet?

otari · Sep 11, 2012

fold 77 or 99 in early position? that's nuts!! if you got enough chips throw them in, you never know, maybe you will hit trips

AlfieAA · Sep 12, 2012

John A said:
If you have ace poker drills, why don't you use the pre-flop trainer. Since you're saying you need to get comfortable knowing what to play from each position, it's going to drill you in every kind of situation and you'll get explanations on most answers as to why it's best to call/fold/raise, etc... Sometimes there's multiple acceptable answers and it explains that. Have you not tried that part of the program yet?

hi, no i have only tried the odds and outs on the flop.....ive got the free version, so is the one you are talking about the paid version?

deeshark420 · Sep 12, 2012

In poker most starting hands should be strong

alyoung said:
hiya guys, ive been on cardschat for about a week now and i love it, the guys on here are great, very helpful and i thank you for your time and all your replys to my threads so far......thank you.....

i dont want to get into a habit of asking silly questions everyday so this will be my last one lol.

now ive been taking poker seriously for the last few weeks, and am astounded by all the theory and stratagies their is to poker.....i never knew a card game could be so complicated ....and im definitely not the sharpest tool in the box, hence all these question....eventually all the stuff there is to know about poker will come together....but i will have to work very hard, and i plan on doing that because i love poker...

anyway ive been trying to learn everything at the same time and in turn have gave myself a headache and feel abit lost by it all tbh, so i have decided to start with the basics......im going to learn, starting hands in different positions and outs, odds.....ive been using a proggrame called 'ace poker drills' which was recommended by one of you guys on here and its great....its like a quiz and you work out how many outs you have on the flop....you can change the settings to make it after the turn and river too....excellent app that will deffo help me.....but now i need to know starting hands for each position, because if i get a half decent hand i play it regardless of position and i want to change that......ive seen a few different 'starting hand guides' but they are all different.....theres 1 on pokerstratagy.com that says you need to fold pocket 77-99's in early position....WHAT.....lol.....so does anybody on here know a definitive guide that is respected by all the cc's.....cheers guys

In poker most starting hands should be strong EP aa kk jj aks ako Mp sure call with those 88 and 77 its hard to play anyone elses card srtadegy youll do fine hope to see ya at the tables.

AlfieAA · Sep 12, 2012

cheers deekshark

Bowman · Sep 14, 2012

JDAWG5 said:
Need more details.

How many BB's????

If you were the Short stack, then you probably should have shoved-pre, but again need to know how many BB's you had left, and if antes were in play

Thanks for the info, I will have this the next time for you. Fairly new to discussing hands in forums with all the correct grammar and having all the information. Hit the tables and I will take note, thank you.

Iselo · Sep 23, 2012

I used the hand chart from pokerstrategy in the beginning too but I abandoned it pretty quickly since I felt like it was way too tight. I hardly got to play any hands, I just folded and folded and folded until the blinds had eaten half of my chip stack. Now however I think (know) that I'm playing a bit too many hands preflop so I'm also looking for a good guide.

trucker103 · Sep 23, 2012

biggest mistake new players make Iselo is they play to many hands
i know u feel ur stack is gettin eatin up but u play hands and get in a pissin match with low % hands ur gonna lose it faster be patient and the hands will come !

Iselo · Sep 23, 2012

trucker103 said:
biggest mistake new players make Iselo is they play to many hands
i know u feel ur stack is gettin eatin up but u play hands and get in a pissin match with low % hands ur gonna lose it faster be patient and the hands will come !

Yea I know...

I'm working on it. I've actually found that I do better when I'm multi tabling (never more than 3 though), at first I didn't get why but now I'm thinking it's bc I play fewer hands as I'm not as boored.

Arjonius · Sep 24, 2012

When beginner-level players say they're bored by not playing enough hands, it usually means they aren't doing things they could to improve their games faster. For example, after they fold a hand, they usually don't pay attention to what the other players do, which means they're not learning as much or as rapidly as possible about those other players' styles and tendencies. Given that most of us fold many more hand than we play, not watching the ones we fold means we pass up the majority of chances to learn more about out opponents.

AugustWest · Sep 24, 2012

Hand

Here is one I find useful...

Iselo · Sep 24, 2012

I'm liking this poker forum thing! Lot's of good advice..

JCgrind · Sep 25, 2012

This is my 6max supermicro preflop guide

Originally Posted by jchoop
thanks guys, appreciate it.

as for those of you who want tips, heres my general gameplan.
UTG: 99+, AJo+, ATs+, KQs, *77-88, Ato
MP: 99+, ATo+, ATs+, KQs+, *77-88, QJs-KJs
CO: 66+, ATo+, A8s+, suited broadway, MAo

, *KTo-KJo, QJo
Btn: CO range, + all PP, all sc's 67+, all one gappers 68+ *any two if blinds f2steal>80%
SB: 66+, ATo+, A9s+, QJs/o+, *any two if BB f2steal>70%

BB: purely dependent on who raised. UTG range basically vs anyone other than Btn, SB. Btn range vs anyone else.

*play if table is passive. i tend to go by whether the people left to act have a 3b stat of less than 8%=passive.

obv this is super broad and changes on table dynamic but its a solid guidline to follow when 12-24 tabling

never call 3bs unless ESS makes sense to do so. no set mining. basically never playing out of blinds unless im 3bing. big emphasis on looking for mass multitabling nits who i can 3b light, and 3bing as light as KJs vs the typical fishtard population for value.

as for 3bing;
IP:
- AA: 4b v nit, flat 3b vs lagtard
- KK: same as AA
- QQ: flat 3b, adjust based on texture post
- JJ: same as QQ
- TT: 4b shove vs guys with a bigger 3b range than 8.5%, 4b/fold vs guys with lower than 8.5%
- AK: 4b/6b vs guys with a bigger 3b range than 3%, 4b/fold vs guys with lower than 3%

OOP:
- AA: 3b/5b shove
- KK: same as AA
- QQ: 3b/flat 4b, shove non AK flop
- JJ: 3b/fold
- TT: 3b/fold
-AK: 3b/fold

wagon596 · Sep 25, 2012

JDAWG5 said:
https://www.cardschat.com/poker-starting-hands.php

Hope this helps.

Took a look myself...thanks for the info,, now if I can only apply it to my game,,,I'm so tight I squeak..I'm not sure if it'll be a honest read , cause I play in Micro games where people play all kinds of trash and catch the cards they need,,Thanks again,,

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