Spotting questionable calls, bet sizes, etc ???

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Sorry for the repost, but I truly believe this thread belongs in LEARNING POKER.

Please watch the 40 min. segment, and let me know if my reactions are proper. There seems to be lots of dubious calls, bet sizes, etc.

I invite anyone else to identify what they feel is a mistake,
and we can compare results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fumda2Ef9lY#t=1302[/QUOTE]


HAND 1 (5:20)
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Ashton in SB with Ax bet into the board of 2KA? (He checked)
Ashton then bets 30% of pot on the turn. Is that too little?
Doss calls with 66. (With AK on the board!?!) Bad call?
River, Ashton again bets 35%.

Hand 2 (7:30)
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V shove 10BB with 86? (He lost to Ax high card)

Hand 3 (11:00)
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Ashton has TT. Flop = 748. Ashton bets 42% of pot. Too low?
Should P'ono call with KJd ?
Ashton finally value bets 50% of pot on the river.

Hand 4 (14:00)
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P'ono raises 4BB with ATs.
Doss min-raises with K9s.
Was this a bad raise?
Should P'ono call this minraise with ATs?

On the flop, Doss does a check/raise.
Was this a good play?


Hand 5 (16:00)
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Ashton raises with Q9.
Bibb min-raises with 77
Ashton calls. Is this a bad call?

Flop = 678 (Set for Bibb)
Bibb bets 35% of pot. Too small?
Ashton shoves. Bibb calls with set.


Hand 6 (20:00)
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Doss bets 4BB with QJ
P'onop calls with 99. Bad call?
Flop = AKQ.
P'onop checks. Doss checks (Bad? Should he value bet?)
Turn=8
P'onop bets 30% of pot and Doss folds.

Hand 7 (23:00)
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Ashton calls the PF bet?
Then he calls the post-flop shove !?!?

Hand 8 (27:00)
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Nitsche calls a PF raise with A3 ?

Hand 9 (29:00)
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Q7 vs AJ
Flop = 93K
Both check.
Should Nitsche in position have made a stab at the pot?

Hand 10 (35:00)
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P'onop raises with 55.
Doss call with AJ.
Too passive? Should he have raised or folded?

Ashon then 3bets.
Doss calls again with AJ.
Bad call? Announcers even said 4-bet

When flop comes J, Doss goes all in, and is playing face up.
Should he have not been so obvious about it? Maybe bet 400k ?


Hand 11 (38:00)
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Ashton opens with K4 ?? Too LAG?
Bibb 3-bets with A5. Another risky bet?


Hand 12 (38:00)
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P'onop opens with k2s? Too LAG?
Doss calls with KQs.

Both miss the flop.
P'onop does 47% C-bet against a guy who likes to call.
Doss calls !! Bad call ??

Doss spikes a K and bets 67% pot.
P'onop calls with K2 (crap kicker)

River spikes a 2 !!!!!!!!!!
Doss is gutted. Poor Doss!
 
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HAND 1 (5:20)
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Ashton in SB with Ax bet into the board of 2KA? (He checked)
Ashton then bets 30% of pot on the turn. Is that too little?
Doss calls with 66. (With AK on the board!?!) Bad call?
River, Ashton again bets 35%.

I like this Ashton guy. So he doesn't actually bet out with A8 on the 2KA flop, he checks to the pf raiser just like we talked about the other day. Once the board checks around he's confident that his kicker is good and he leads out on the turn. So you see, just like in the hand you posted the earlier, the PF raiser really can't tell much from the flop check.

Now this is a good time for me to bring up a play that every good aggressive player should have in their tool box. In this case Ashton got more information from Doss than the other way around by being out of position. Weird huh? Because an early position raiser almost always checks to the preflop raiser, even when they have top pair, and everyone knows this, he is often the only player that can represent that top pair should it check around. Ashton didn't need an Ace to win this hand and I suspect his line would have been exactly the same had he called with 2 rags. I don't blame Doss for floating the turn against Ashton but a better line would have been to CB this flop and maybe even barrel it. I think alot of better hands would have released.


Hand 2 (7:30)
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V shove 10BB with 86? (He lost to Ax high card)

I don't think he even has 10bb's. The blinds are 6k/12k/2k looks like he's pushing about 16 or 17 5k Chips so maybe 80K or about 6 or 7 bb's. And sure, why not 86o. You're on less than fumes at this point and you know you're going to get called by almost any 2. It's kind of an oddball hand and he's very likely to be HU with 2 live cards. Against a random hand 86o is only a 43%:57% dog and the pot is about 30k before he shoves. I think he's on the button so if he gets called he'll be getting about 1.3:1. It may be that the worst hands in villains range will fold so let's be generous and say that the top 75% should call making him about a 60/40 dog. So he needs about 1.5:1 and he's getting 1.3:1 but he does have a little fold equity. This may be the last best chance he gets. Good shove IMO. And Good call by P'Onopoulos with A4s although I don't know why he waited so long.

Ok, last one. I don't think I can make it through the dirty dozen. You know instead of picking a hand I think I'll just make a comment about the rest of the hands without actually watching the Video. You ask alot about bet sizes and whether someone or another should have called a 3 bet. The final table of a tournament is really a tricky thing to understand. There's a mixture of big stacks and little stacks and personalities and payout considerations. Only the players at the table really understand the dynamics and it's really hard and a little unfair to criticize the way someone plays a particular hand. Was the bet too big, too small? These are mostly deep stack considerations that just don't apply when the average stack is like 20bb's. Often there's not alot of difference between the best play (or player) and the worst. Mostly the cards dictate the fates or fortunes.

I will say this though. The big stacks have a huge advantage. He can literally open any hand for a min-raise and expect to get through. That is until a short stack get's the nerve to fight back and by then the big stack is almost always pot committed. I will rarely fold any raised hand to a shove.


That's it rick, I'm tapped. Hey! I really admire your enthusiasm. You certainly seem to putting in the study time which IMO is much more valuable than table time. GL
 
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Love your comments..maybe comment on a few more hands when you're refreshed?

I hated the Ashton guy. ..was glad he was knocked out. .lol
 
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Ok so for hand 1, when in EP with TPair, it's almost like being the button,
b/c you check, and if everyone checks, you bet out on Turn.
 
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Ok so for hand 1, when in EP with TPair, it's almost like being the button,
b/c you check, and if everyone checks, you bet out on Turn.
Well yeah, that is a good way of thinking about it with the difference being that you'll have to wait 'til the turn to take advantage of it. Also it only works under very specific circumstances. If a card rolls off on the turn that a field bettor likes then you may find yourself getting unwanted action OOP. It isn't the sort of situation that you can plan for either, it's sort of a BB or SB Special. You just know the situation when it arises and you take advantage. You can do this in cash games but it works especially well in the late stages of a tournament when nobody want's to tangle with an ace if they don't have one.
 
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