Something I found very interesting about equity against AA.

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Did you know that a medium suited connector has the highest equity against aces? Suited 98-65 are the most likely to beat AA and other connectors including they are the only hands which have more than 20% equity against aces. It gets even better if neither of the 2 aces are from the same suit as the connector. In that case the equity gets quite close to 25%.
 
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They may have higher equity but the AA is still going to win most of the time. If you play these hands against a skilled player that knows how to value bet and drain chips from your stack, they are going to exploit your leak. If a tight aggressive player fires off a 3 x BB bet preflop, you can bet, I am folding hands like that.
 
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it's all good, but to play against AA with connectors, it is still underdog hand..
 
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Did you know that a medium suited connector has the highest equity against aces? Suited 98-65 are the most likely to beat AA and other connectors including they are the only hands which have more than 20% equity against aces. It gets even better if neither of the 2 aces are from the same suit as the connector. In that case the equity gets quite close to 25%.

interesting stats,

but i think this odds are going allin both hands preflop, otherwise is hard to believe that a skilled player hanldling AA let a suited connector complete its project

so unless the flop completes the project alone or give the suited connectors a flush draw and two sides straight, is very difficult to reach the river, or to expect a runner runner

so maybe the chances are not so high when the action start postflop, so in this case i still think is easier to hit a set with a pocket pair in the flop,

imagine villain has pocket queens or kings and hero has aces, if the flop doesn`t bring anything that could affect the thinking of one of them (a board with 3 same color cards, or three cards in a row, or in the case of the villain a Q or K) then both players will be betting postflop in all streets and in that way
the villain could have chance to see the 5 streets and more chances to complete the set, and it`s harder to see a set coming than a project so the aces could be trapped easier
 
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Actually you are right about suited connectors, even I lost some KK and AA hands against 56 suited or 910 or even 23suited, but the way i lost my AAor KK was lucky to the connectors it was like AA vs 56 flop is 78K then i push hard to fold my foe if he has a draw or K so i do bet what is need to prefent loosing my aces at the end, of course i get calls with 8 outs most 9 and turn or river give my opponent card that completes his chasing into win. That's not too good play though....
 
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Very true, suited connectors is a great way to gain chips.
 
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Yeah when someone asks me at live what I would prefer to have against AA, hypothetically, I tell them 89s, and the info in the OP is why :)
 
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The hand I'd prefer against AA is AA... Just saying.
 
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That's pretty interesting, but I could never bring myself to call let's say a huge 3 bet with 98s.

I get all nervous just putting myself in that position.

I tend to limp suited connectors lower than 9 from late position in unraised pots only, I got trouble dealing with them when I don't hit the flop.
 
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Slightly off topic to the OP, but something I've been wanting to put out there --

Caught AA on the 2nd deal of a freeroll the other day. I was OOP, but still bet 4x BB, getting everyone to fold except for the button.

Flop was somehing like 10-7-5 rainbow. So I feel great and bet just over the pot, getting a call. I put him on 10s with a Jack kicker - KK/AK.

Turn shows a 3. I bet 1/2 of my stack and get a call. Now I'd love for this to be the 10s - but is he chasing a monster?

River comes up a 6. Okay, now I'm in a tough spot. If he is chasing, he has me beat... but why would he call my raise with such low connectors? I feel pot commited, and I'm hoping I'm up against over cards or a lower pocket pair.

I shove. He calls... with a K4s.

One of those - why the hell would you call a PF raise with that hand? And why would you bet past the flop with no flush draw? Well, some players are bad and get lucky, I guess...

... and it was a free roll, which carries a whole other range of randomness... nevertheless, I probably should hav check/folded on the river.. or I should have shoved sooner, when I still had fold equity... but, oh well.
 
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It is actually a interesting fact but i have to agree with previous posts it would probably have better equity with preflop allin but i would rather have my opponents to have SC than to have aces, with SC only flop you want to continue with is made straight and maybe flush because any with any draw you would have to pay against pot odds to continue, if you face good opponent offcourse so continuing there is -ev now when i think of it little more how you could use this information into +ev situation, in cash game you'll probably wont try to push it, even if you 3bet in position would you call 4bet/shove o what, maybe in a shortstack tournament shoving these hands can make it profitable but i still don't see it without good post flop play so that can exclude tourney shortstack because how would you play these hands postflop with shortstack.....

just my 2 cents...
 
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The concept isn't that hard to understand really. 67-89 do not depend on an A to make any straight whereas all other connectors may hit draws where 2 of your outs are taken.
 
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This is very true! And yes, you would much rather have AA every hand they suited connectors in the long run, but when playing in position early on in tournaments this is good information to know. Against a tight player, who may overplay big pocket pairs this is the situation you are looking for.
 
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They are good for getting your chips in if youre short stacked in an MTT. I will call with them too if the position and play looks favorable.
 
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Small pocket pairs are better to make money off big pairs than suited connectors.
 
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Probably better to start think in ranges :)
 
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Small pocket pairs are better to make money off big pairs than suited connectors.

I think so too. Wondering, if the odds of hitting a set on the flop with small pocket pairs when up against AA or KK is 7.5 to 1, what are the odds of hitting 2 pair on the flop with, say, 78s?

Beauty of the small pair is the easy fold when you miss the flop after calling to set mine with correct odds. The suited connector can be harder to get away from (and potentially costly) when you flop a draw.
 
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My boss once remarked that if he could only play one hand, he would rather have 89 suited than AA LOL.
 
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That's an interesting statistic but don't think I would wont the odds of the suited connectors I prefer the aa
 
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Very interesting stat i was not aware of. Now I won't feel so bad when I crack AA with them.
 
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I love speculative hands and implied odds.
 
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Had forgotten this, but looked it up - we're just 2% to hit two pair of the flop when we're holding something like 78s (matching both of our hole cards).
 
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The best hand you can hold all-in pre againts AA is 65s. You're still 3to1 underdog, but if you consider the pleasure from cracking aces it's almost profitable.. :)
 
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Did you know that a medium suited connector has the highest equity against aces? Suited 98-65 are the most likely to beat AA and other connectors including they are the only hands which have more than 20% equity against aces. It gets even better if neither of the 2 aces are from the same suit as the connector. In that case the equity gets quite close to 25%.


thats the reason why you shouldnt slowplay aces that much... because those speculative hands make aces lose 1 in 4 times.
Aces are the best preflop hands, however it can be an average, or even a mediocre hand after the flop, turn or river, so you have to play them aggresively most of the time.
 
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thats the reason why you shouldnt slowplay aces that much... because those speculative hands make aces lose 1 in 4 times.
Aces are the best preflop hands, however it can be an average, or even a mediocre hand after the flop, turn or river, so you have to play them aggresively most of the time.

Tru dat.

I see rookies get cute with AA so often and then they get angry at "donks" for stacking them.

When you got AA preflop, raise the F outta that pot! You wanna fold out the scrub hands, narrow the ranges of hands you're up against, and at the very least, make the mofos pay to see a flop with a speculative hand.
 
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