Someone please explain this...River BS

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Ok, let's get right to it. Whenever you suffer from a bad beat (like I always seem to do) Why is it ALWAYS...ALWAYS... Almost everytime the river card that ****s you...You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think "what did I do wrong?!"

OT: The more I try to learn and study and come up with strategies the worse results I get. When I started playing online I did better in tournaments and in cashgames then I do now after years of playing. Maybe that's it you can't improve in this game, it's all about luck?
 
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Ok, let's get right to it. Whenever you suffer from a bad beat (like I always seem to do) Why is it ALWAYS...ALWAYS... Almost everytime the river card that ****s you...You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think "what did I do wrong?!"

OT: The more I try to learn and study and come up with strategies the worse results I get. When I started playing online I did better in tournaments and in cashgames then I do now after years of playing. Maybe that's it you can't improve in this game, it's all about luck?

games are much harder. Even on lower limits. Few years ago you had thousands of weak regulars, passive fishes and you could just wait for good hands and valuebet recreational players all day. Now you have to put extra work to make a decent results because games are more aggresive, rake is insane, and field is much smaller than few years ago.
Learning is important but try to study step by step. And make little changes in your game week by week.
 
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It's a beautiful and cruel game at the same time,,,but stick with it and when it falls into place,it's a wonderful thing. ;) Gl in your future games,,,
 
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Ok, let's get right to it. Whenever you suffer from a bad beat (like I always seem to do) Why is it ALWAYS...ALWAYS... Almost everytime the river card that ****s you...You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think "what did I do wrong?!"

OT: The more I try to learn and study and come up with strategies the worse results I get. When I started playing online I did better in tournaments and in cashgames then I do now after years of playing. Maybe that's it you can't improve in this game, it's all about luck?
iv´e noticed it to but it also has worked for me too.... :ciao:
 
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Ah yes... seems like my weekend story.... people with 90vpip hitting everything.. dropped 10 buyins because of people hitting their str and flushes... most fun was a dude calling a 3bet w 53o and hitting 2 pair vs my AA.. but its ok.. i raged a bit and cursed... but just have to remember that in the long run they are pissing away their money to us... just keep playing and it will all be OK... hopefully :)
 
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Consider poker entertainment. How much do you think going out for s good steak dinner would cost. Also, the rake is a hidden money taker. So does the cost of playing poker exceed the joy you receive playing the game?
 
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You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think

"what did I do wrong?
You're forgetting that 90% is not a gaurantee to win, you're also forgetting the times that you won with the 10%

Dont be result orientated if you played the hand correctly.

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You're forgetting that 90% is not a gaurantee to win, you're also forgetting the times that you won with the 10%

Dont be result orientated if you played the hand correctly.

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smells like crap, looks like crap good chance its crap
 
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It's bs just as you say. But sometimes it is what makes the GAME fun. Also it's gambling, that's why you find poker in casinos , because it's gambling
 
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Ok, let's get right to it. Whenever you suffer from a bad beat (like I always seem to do) Why is it ALWAYS...ALWAYS... Almost everytime the river card that ****s you...You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think "what did I do wrong?!"

OT: The more I try to learn and study and come up with strategies the worse results I get. When I started playing online I did better in tournaments and in cashgames then I do now after years of playing. Maybe that's it you can't improve in this game, it's all about luck?
My friend.What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.I've been thinking a lot about poker.And I want to say that we are people we have feelings, experiences, emotions.Poker is a game where there is no place.Here reigns mathematics and that we people sometimes seem impossible in mathematics is the solution of another problem.That's all she wrote.The task is done - flop turn river handed over-go ahead and so always.But unlike mathematics, where the identity of numbers reigns, people have hope.Believe in yourself and do not let bad emotions into life and everything will be fine.
 
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this will never be resolved. just play to the end
 
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Ok, let's get right to it. Whenever you suffer from a bad beat (like I always seem to do) Why is it ALWAYS...ALWAYS... Almost everytime the river card that ****s you...You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think "what did I do wrong?!"

OT: The more I try to learn and study and come up with strategies the worse results I get. When I started playing online I did better in tournaments and in cashgames then I do now after years of playing. Maybe that's it you can't improve in this game, it's all about luck?

A rule of thumb online is if it's a 4 outter, the chances of it hitting is about 20%. 6 outter is about 1/3. Now if you go in 45/55 or so, you should win about 2/3 of the time. If you are 55/45 you are about 1/3.

The only showdown I've won in the last 3 days is 85 os vs. AA when I had to shove when I was down to 5 BBs on btn. SB flips over AA. He flops a set, then I get runner runner flush.

This is the ONLY showdown that I've gone to where I was in bad shape when the chips went in. Others I either dominated or were coin flips.

1 win. And it's the one where I was most behind.
 
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Hey
It’s just bad luck if you play your hands right and lose, and smart play if you win.

The point is that you must always play right and that in the long run will give you more profit than what you lose due to bad luck.

It’s just my opinion
 
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and... all in donkey just hit his four outer against me on the river just now... lol.. that is why I prefer grinding lower than i like..
 
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Ok, let's get right to it. Whenever you suffer from a bad beat (like I always seem to do) Why is it ALWAYS...ALWAYS... Almost everytime the river card that ****s you...You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think "what did I do wrong?!"

Well, one thing to keep in mind is that IF you are ahead and going to lose than there's a 50/50 chance between it being the turn or the river that knocks your ass down. That being said, a lot of times it takes BOTH to beat you. Therefore, and I'm pulling this number out my ass, I'd say there's an 80% chance that if you're ahead on the flop and you're going to lose then you're going to lose on the river.

OT: The more I try to learn and study and come up with strategies the worse results I get. When I started playing online I did better in tournaments and in cashgames then I do now after years of playing. Maybe that's it you can't improve in this game, it's all about luck?

I don't mean to be offensive here, but are you sure you're learning how to learn? Here's what I mean with an extreme example. Let's say someone is just starting to learn Pot odds. So they're sitting in the BB with 72o. UTG raises 5BB and so the guy thinks, "Imma fold this one". But then there are 7 callers and the pot is now 37 BB. He looks and says, well, I got better than 12:1 here because I gotta put $3 into a $37 pot. So, this guy has learned a skill, but hasn't learned how to learn the skill. He didn't take the time to find out when you should or should not apply pot odds (i.e. comparing your odds of winning to the ratio of money bet vs. the size of the pot). Wow, this really is a perfect example. I Googled "Pot Odds Poker" and in a nice big paragraph it says,

"POT ODDS. Pot odds are defined as the ratio between the size of the pot and the bet facing you. For example, if there is $4 in the pot and your opponent bets $1, you are being asked to pay one-fifth of the pot in order to have a chance of winning it. A call of $1 to win $5 represents pot odds of 5:1."
However, you open up the article and one of the first few paragraphs is,

"Calculating your expected value is a two-stage process, involving calculating your "pot odds", explained below, and then comparing that figure with the odds you have of hitting one of your outs."
So, clearly people who haven't learned how to learn poker are just going to see the Google paragraph and think, "Hey, I got this."

Now, granted, that example worked out a bit too perfectly. The point I was trying to make was if you learn something and don't observe the results of trying to implement it. Then, just because something is good advice AND just because you implement it correctly, does not necessarily mean it will work. The point I was trying to make is that you need to learn how it applies to specific types of players. The classic example is a bluff. You can be the best bluffer in the world, but if the person you're playing against sees QQ and decides they aren't folding no matter what, then you "4 on the board" flush bluff it will be very costly.
 
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I certainly wouldn't bank on poker as a career option.
 
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Imo, I don't believe that the turn or the river card is to blame for unlucky results , variance exists , or it's our mistakes that should be blamed for (wrong calls/shoves , not 3betting enough and villain sees the flop easily . At least I make these mistakes quite often :) )
 
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Ok, let's get right to it. Whenever you suffer from a bad beat (like I always seem to do) Why is it ALWAYS...ALWAYS... Almost everytime the river card that ****s you...You see the percentages that goes from 70% 90% 0% BOOM there it is; the river card and you've lost and you start to think "what did I do wrong?!"

OT: The more I try to learn and study and come up with strategies the worse results I get. When I started playing online I did better in tournaments and in cashgames then I do now after years of playing. Maybe that's it you can't improve in this game, it's all about luck?
Instead of feeling like everyone is insulting your intelligence here, go play live at a casino and see how that goes. If you do the same, you have your answer. If you have a different experience, you have your answer. Good luck.
 
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you have to assume you are gonna go to the river. its a seven card game
 
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