Some question for cash game - think solved but need different voice

XXPXXP · Feb 19, 2017

There are some questions for cash game players - no book described it clearly
but I think after weeks of effort, I solved them, mathematically.

however I am not sure I have the max EV choice, so want to hear different voices.

1. cash game, you find a table full of fish, so you sit in, but after 2 round, you found have have card dead for about 18 hands, in general you cards all 8 lower.

so , your choice,
a. searching for another table , b. stay at this table for good cards? c. I decided to stay how many hands if situation is not improved, I will go.

2. you sit on a table , doubled you buyin at a first hand, and you decide to take the winning right away, after you leaving the table, you watched that table for somewhile, found you do have edge on that table, so you decided to sit back.

but you have a choice, to bring you initial buyin, or bring the buyin you left [not they get u covered]
which one of your choice.

3. you got two bad beats on a fish table after playing for an hour or so, lost two buyins, you know these fishes will left about 2 hours later, you choice, to continue play 60 to 120 hands or leave?

so these are all the questions. [ under the condition is you are in your A game, and no bankroll problem]

want to say make the right choice to bring in and bring out money on the table increase your winning rate A LOT.

thanks for any comment.

vinnie · Feb 19, 2017

1. If the table is good and I can see ways to make a profit, I stay at that table. The specific hands I am getting dealt does not play a role in this decision. The next hand might be great. It might not. The deck has no memory. If the conditions are right for profit, I am not going to leave just because the deck is a little cold. If anything, I appreciate a cold start. It gives me time to experience the flow of the table, and it also gives me a nitty image for when I start moving chips.

2. Why would I leave the table right after doubling my first hand? That's just insane. If the table is profitable, I won't leave just because I now have even more chips as weapons against the other large stacks. I would have never left in the first place. I would come back with my full stack, if I had somehow lost my mind and decided to get up and walk away from a table that was handing me money.

3. If I believe I am profitable against some players, I will play until they leave. Previous hands do not have an effect on that decision. I could have had two major suck-outs and be way up or had two major bad beats and be in a hole. Either way, if the players are profitable, I am staying. The previous cards do not play a role in my decision.

The reason you're not seeing these question approached in poker math books is because they aren't mathematical ones. The deck has no memory. Past hands do not influence current cards.

XXPXXP · Feb 19, 2017

vinnie said:
1. If the table is good and I can see ways to make a profit, I stay at that table. The specific hands I am getting dealt does not play a role in this decision. The next hand might be great. It might not. The deck has no memory. If the conditions are right for profit, I am not going to leave just because the deck is a little cold. If anything, I appreciate a cold start. It gives me time to experience the flow of the table, and it also gives me a nitty image for when I start moving chips.

2. Why would I leave the table right after doubling my first hand? That's just insane. If the table is profitable, I won't leave just because I now have even more chips as weapons against the other large stacks. I would have never left in the first place. I would come back with my full stack, if I had somehow lost my mind and decided to get up and walk away from a table that was handing me money.

3. If I believe I am profitable against some players, I will play until they leave. Previous hands do not have an effect on that decision. I could have had two major suck-outs and be way up or had two major bad beats and be in a hole. Either way, if the players are profitable, I am staying. The previous cards do not play a role in my decision.

The reason you're not seeing these question approached in poker math books is because they aren't mathematical ones. The deck has no memory. Past hands do not influence current cards.

just want to say you make two wrong choice

I just replay the math reason for the one u make the right

No.2.

It should be always positive to bring double back when you have edge.
if you are not sure your edge, leave instantly when double is always right.

the reason to bring it back with edge is not because you have full stack or 200 BB for max value.

it is because the winning you won here is After RAKE, so if you bring initial buyin want to win the same amount, eg double another 100, you will need to pay rake before that win. so bring in after rake wining to rolling snow ball is always way positive EV.

the math equiation after that is

if your positive EV is P%

1 as initial buyin.

so you net profit after (1+1*p%[100%- rake%])
and if you trying to double after that independently your edge is still P

but double with initial buyin the new edge on the table is
(2*[100%-rake]+[2*[100%-rake]*p%[100%-rake]

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the situation bring in with double is

(2+ 2*p%[100%-rake%])

so bring in double is right. for the sake of rake not skill.
in generally you pay less rake, means you win more.

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thanks for the rely , waiting for others.

starting_at_the_bottom · Feb 20, 2017

vinnie said:
1. If the table is good and I can see ways to make a profit, I stay at that table. The specific hands I am getting dealt does not play a role in this decision. The next hand might be great. It might not. The deck has no memory. If the conditions are right for profit, I am not going to leave just because the deck is a little cold. If anything, I appreciate a cold start. It gives me time to experience the flow of the table, and it also gives me a nitty image for when I start moving chips.

2. Why would I leave the table right after doubling my first hand? That's just insane. If the table is profitable, I won't leave just because I now have even more chips as weapons against the other large stacks. I would have never left in the first place. I would come back with my full stack, if I had somehow lost my mind and decided to get up and walk away from a table that was handing me money.

3. If I believe I am profitable against some players, I will play until they leave. Previous hands do not have an effect on that decision. I could have had two major suck-outs and be way up or had two major bad beats and be in a hole. Either way, if the players are profitable, I am staying. The previous cards do not play a role in my decision.

The reason you're not seeing these question approached in poker math books is because they aren't mathematical ones. The deck has no memory. Past hands do not influence current cards.

I agree with all of the above.

vinnie · Feb 20, 2017

XXPXXP said:
just want to say you make two wrong choice

Do you care to support this statement with "math" or do you just believe it to be that way? What is your logic?

Edit: I am willing to bet there's a fair amount of allusion to the gambler's fallacy in your logic.

ZaXXoR · Feb 24, 2017

XXPXXP said:
There are some questions for cash game players - no book described it clearly
but I think after weeks of effort, I solved them, mathematically.

however I am not sure I have the max EV choice, so want to hear different voices.

1. cash game, you find a table full of fish, so you sit in, but after 2 round, you found have have card dead for about 18 hands, in general you cards all 8 lower.

so , your choice,
a. searching for another table , b. stay at this table for good cards? c. I decided to stay how many hands if situation is not improved, I will go.

2. you sit on a table , doubled you buyin at a first hand, and you decide to take the winning right away, after you leaving the table, you watched that table for somewhile, found you do have edge on that table, so you decided to sit back.

but you have a choice, to bring you initial buyin, or bring the buyin you left [not they get u covered]
which one of your choice.

3. you got two bad beats on a fish table after playing for an hour or so, lost two buyins, you know these fishes will left about 2 hours later, you choice, to continue play 60 to 120 hands or leave?

so these are all the questions. [ under the condition is you are in your A game, and no bankroll problem]

want to say make the right choice to bring in and bring out money on the table increase your winning rate A LOT.

thanks for any comment.

If you are at a table full of fish you should be able to start opening your range, 3-bets, and increase your value bet sizing. You should also not be doubling up and leaving, if you have an edge you should sit there until the worse players leave the table.

jsnake716 · Feb 24, 2017

vinnie said:
1. If the table is good and I can see ways to make a profit, I stay at that table. The specific hands I am getting dealt does not play a role in this decision. The next hand might be great. It might not. The deck has no memory. If the conditions are right for profit, I am not going to leave just because the deck is a little cold. If anything, I appreciate a cold start. It gives me time to experience the flow of the table, and it also gives me a nitty image for when I start moving chips.

2. Why would I leave the table right after doubling my first hand? That's just insane. If the table is profitable, I won't leave just because I now have even more chips as weapons against the other large stacks. I would have never left in the first place. I would come back with my full stack, if I had somehow lost my mind and decided to get up and walk away from a table that was handing me money.

3. If I believe I am profitable against some players, I will play until they leave. Previous hands do not have an effect on that decision. I could have had two major suck-outs and be way up or had two major bad beats and be in a hole. Either way, if the players are profitable, I am staying. The previous cards do not play a role in my decision.

The reason you're not seeing these question approached in poker math books is because they aren't mathematical ones. The deck has no memory. Past hands do not influence current cards.

I hope I did this right?? I am trying to quote Vinnie, I believe he answered all of your questions "logically" Am not sure what "math" you are referring to ????

PKRNRS · Feb 24, 2017

XXPXXP said:
There are some questions for cash game players - no book described it clearly
but I think after weeks of effort, I solved them, mathematically.

however I am not sure I have the max EV choice, so want to hear different voices.

1. cash game, you find a table full of fish, so you sit in, but after 2 round, you found have have card dead for about 18 hands, in general you cards all 8 lower.

so , your choice,
a. searching for another table , b. stay at this table for good cards? c. I decided to stay how many hands if situation is not improved, I will go.

2. you sit on a table , doubled you buyin at a first hand, and you decide to take the winning right away, after you leaving the table, you watched that table for somewhile, found you do have edge on that table, so you decided to sit back.

but you have a choice, to bring you initial buyin, or bring the buyin you left [not they get u covered]
which one of your choice.

3. you got two bad beats on a fish table after playing for an hour or so, lost two buyins, you know these fishes will left about 2 hours later, you choice, to continue play 60 to 120 hands or leave?

so these are all the questions. [ under the condition is you are in your A game, and no bankroll problem]

want to say make the right choice to bring in and bring out money on the table increase your winning rate A LOT.

thanks for any comment.

1. Why would you get after two rounds or 18 hands? There have hours and even while days without cards. This game involves patience. It's just annoying if your hopping from table to table. And it's fish! Why again would you leave!

2. This is just rude. If you're going to get up after your score on the first hand than just leave the room. But it's your money now and you can do whatever you want. You will be looked down upon if you do this a lot.

3. Your have no bankroll so re buy

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