"snap call" "snap raise" - Is it wise to do any of these?

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Was just wondering how other people feel about "snap.." anything. Should we not always take at least a few seconds to think before we make a move? What is the purpose of "snap calling" or "snap raising"? Is doing this supposed to arouse fear in your opponents? Let them know you have something really good and that they should probably fold?

I ask this because some of the biggest mistakes I've made (often leading to my quick departure from tournaments) have been snap calling an all-in to find my two pair beat by a straight or my flush beat by a full house. Or, I snap raise to be then reraised all in. Seems like whenever I do things this quickly, it always backfires. Is there a benefit?
 
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There is a benefit against an emotional player or someone who you think is tilted to acting quickly when you have the nuts. Generally they will call more often. I have been mostly a limit hold em player so I always act quickly but am seeing sometimes it does have a positive effect to count to 10 and then act..... not for my own thinking but to be able to manipulate my opponent to do what I want them to. If you are wondering how quickly I act think of Rob Salaburu from Nov nine a couple years ago. Lol
 
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I can't speak for others, but the only time I "snap call" is when my opponents move was not only an already expected event, but even a "forced" choice...

For instance my opponent has raised in front of me and I re-raise relative to his stack that he only has 1 of two "realistic" options: Fold or Push

...the third option of a flat call is inconsequential in this case because his remaining stack vs the pot if called, isn't going to make me fold if pushed on the flop

If he chooses to push, I've already made the calculation to "insta-call" based on my position prior to his actual action...so in my case, I've already taken more than just a few seconds to carefully consider if this is the hand to possibly ride to victory or crash horribly in flames...no additional time to "think" required
 
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I can't speak for others, but the only time I "snap call" is when my opponents move was not only an already expected event, but even a "forced" choice...

For instance my opponent has raised in front of me and I re-raise relative to his stack that he only has 1 of two "realistic" options: Fold or Push

...the third option of a flat call is inconsequential in this case because his remaining stack vs the pot if called, isn't going to make me fold if pushed on the flop

If he chooses to push, I've already made the calculation to "insta-call" based on my position prior to his actual action...so in my case, I've already taken more than just a few seconds to carefully consider if this is the hand to possibly ride to victory or crash horribly in flames...no additional time to "think" required

Was going to reply, but it'd would just be all of this written again haha.
 
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...I should note too, I sometimes "snap" or "insta-fold"...when it's an all out, atc blind steal and I've already decided "if he pushes, I'm outta here"
 
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You can always snap call on the river because you have already made a decision on what to do before your opponent makes his move. Your thought process does'nt have to start when the bet is made, you can think about what your doing all the time.
 
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all good points....I sometimes will snap call to try and discourage a raiser from getting out of hand...if i call his raises too quickly he may think he is being set up and so he might not raise as fervently as he otherwise would (especially if he is weak or bluffing)...conversely, if he keeps raising and increases the size of his bet on each subsequent raise no matter how fast I call, that would indicate to me that he is very strong....
 
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all good points....I sometimes will snap call to try and discourage a raiser from getting out of hand...if i call his raises too quickly he may think he is being set up and so he might not raise as fervently as he otherwise would (especially if he is weak or bluffing)...conversely, if he keeps raising and increases the size of his bet on each subsequent raise no matter how fast I call, that would indicate to me that he is very strong....

...this also applies to the "snap fold"....although I may have no intention of ever calling any re-raise with a particular hand, I may pause long enough to appear I "gave it some thought" and might actually call the next time the villain pushes back
 
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...this also applies to the "snap fold"....although I may have no intention of ever calling any re-raise with a particular hand, I may pause long enough to appear I "gave it some thought" and might actually call the next time the villain pushes back

Deception is key...lol..nice one
 
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...this also applies to the "snap fold"....although I may have no intention of ever calling any re-raise with a particular hand, I may pause long enough to appear I "gave it some thought" and might actually call the next time the villain pushes back

Good point, I've read this elsewhere too and I've heard that if you fold too quickly in a situation like open-raising from the button then getting 3-bet from the blinds, opponents may think that you're raising with very weak hands. Of course, there may be situations where you want them to think this so that you induce a light 3-bet when you're holding premium cards.
 
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I suppose generally speaking a snap call or raise can represent some sort of confidence, unless your opponent isn't thinking properly, or is thinking very deeply and has another tell that confidence doesn't always equate to the strength of your hand - e.g. a maniac gambler whale on tilt also has over-confidence, so your opponent could think you are just confident about pushing them off the hand.

That said, taking time to act generally indicates indecision of some sort. This of course doesn't always mean weakness either, but it will be perceived as weakness in most situations to the point where if you raise all-in with the 2nd nuts very quickly, and your opponent takes a long time to call, you can tell they probably don't have you beat.
 
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opponents may think that you're raising with very weak hands. Of course, there may be situations where you want them to think this so that you induce a light 3-bet when you're holding premium cards.
...yep..helpful against an aggressive in BB or SB who's pushed me around a bit...
especially in MTT...since I may be moved and can then start with a clean slate
...and the guys been eating my lunch anyway :confused:
min raise/snap fold junk, fold,fold,fold, pause ...min raise a premium hand...
oh, and then "snap call" what I hope will be an ATC push :D

Deception is key
...yerp.. :D
 
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I always do "snap call" in a situation with two rivals and do not want to intrude on 3 player in hand, as the patriarch of poker says "I want to be alone with the Linnet"

or I sometimes use it to search for projects (straight, flush) and give a little scary opponent to my right with the intention to make him believe that I have a hand made ​​or made ​​to.
 
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I just snap called the following after the utg guy snap raised, it was the first hand of the tourney and I thought it was just a donk being donkish.




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the same way you'd end up with chips in the middle as it is almost cooler

I do not think you can just throw QQ post flop because the texture of the board is closed
 
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Should we not always take at least a few seconds to think before we make a move?

Generally, yes, this is very good advice. Don't take too long when you're sitting on the nuts and the only other player in the hand has just shoved on you ofc. Oh and don't be tight-man1 either lol.
 
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At micro stakes i mostly see snap calling as a weakness, most of the time they are on a draw if theres a paired board. Keep it mind he can always have a monster hand. It really depends on his image
But based on my experience most of the time they are either on a straight draw or flush draw. Look at the board and check for possible draws.
 
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I don't like it at all because it shows that you are weak and may be tilted. It certainly shows what you have or to 'make a point'but it typically doesn't work out well..

The only time that I snap call is when someone shoves and it doesn't make a difference (except for your image at the table, aka*getting excited at the table kind of thing*)
 
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