I need to be 100% sure that you have understood the question that I am asking, because the fact that you include the words "of course" suggests that possibly you have misunderstood what I am asking.Of course your pair more valuable as the number of players is smaller.
Because there are five players at the table, and I had a pocket pair. If you were paying attention you would have noted that I have already folded, and the BB is considering what to do now.How does the screenshot you've posted here even relate to your question?? This is a really easy fold btw.
That's really helpful, thanks for such a well-explained set of examples. [/sarcasm]Whether a sm pr. has more value or not with less players? It all depends on the situation.
Because there are five players at the table, and I had a pocket pair. If you were paying attention you would have noted that I have already folded, and the BB is considering what to do now.That's really helpful, thanks for such a well-explained set of examples. [/sarcasm]
I suspect the usual fob-off answer of "it depends" does not apply in this instance, as I am asking a question that relates to statistical facts, not strategy. Whether pocket pairs are more valuable with fewer players at the table will be a mathematical and statistical fact. It doesn't depend.Actually I was paying attention... perhaps my 'advice/comments' have gone over your head?
Do you want me to list like 20 different examples.. & then suggest how it would relate to each??? (no sarcasm.. being honest here0.
You can't put a particular hand in a box... you're not gonna get a black&white answer.. 'it depends'.
Whereas various people seem to think that I am asking about how valuable they are depending on the number of people left in the hand, which is not what I am asking. I could use Pokerstove to tell me that.Pocket pairs have great value when you are either deep stacked (>100BB) or short stacked (<15BB). Pretty worthless in the middle - sort of like a reverse bell curve.
I suspect the usual fob-off answer of "it depends" does not apply in this instance, as I am asking a question that relates to statistical facts, not strategy. Whether pocket pairs are more valuable with fewer players at the table will be a mathematical and statistical fact. It doesn't depend.
You're still missing what I'm saying.
Yes, I would love you to list 20 examples, and then suggest how it would relate to each. However what I would really prefer is somebody that actually understands the mathematics to give me a straight answer to a straight question. They don't necessarily even need to be a poker player, just somebody good at statistics. The closest I have come so far to what seems to be a credible answer is this one:Whereas various people seem to think that I am asking about how valuable they are depending on the number of people left in the hand, which is not what I am asking. I could use Pokerstove to tell me that.
It's not your imagination, but it would be a mistake to believe that it is aimed at you personally. I have enjoyed reading a lot of your posts at various forums, but I do loathe being fobbed off with "it depends". I apologise if my comments have been offensive.Honestly I detect a bit of an attitude from you when I've responded to some of your posts. I'm not sure why? (maybe it's my imagination).
One of my weaknesses is adjusting my range of starting hands when the number of players at a table reduces. I play too tight. If I know that PPs are more valuable in that situation I am more likely to play them, if they are less valuable I will be less likely to play them, if there's no difference it doesn't really matter.How would a statistical analysis of how valuable a sm pp would be on a table of fewer players, done by a non-poker player have any benefit at all? (and how would it relate to actual "situations" which you might be in at the time).
Suggesting that PPs are actually less valuable at tables with fewer players.Preflop, your 44 will be about 16.9% to win against 8 random other hands (ie. a 9 player table) and 12.6% against 5 (ie a 6 player table).
Preflop, your 44 will be about 12.6% to win against 8 random other hands (ie. a 9 player table) and 16.9% against 5 (ie a 6 player table).
Some forum members give direct and concise answers to questions - some don't.One of my weaknesses is adjusting my range of starting hands when the number of players at a table reduces. I play too tight. If I know that PPs are more valuable in that situation I am more likely to play them, if they are less valuable I will be less likely to play them, if there's no difference it doesn't really matter.