Show/ Muck Cards - Non-winning players

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Hello Everyone,

I'm playing online 7 card stud. I'm just wondering if it's normal for a show/muck option to be available for the non-winning players at showdown. Does this still create the possibility of some advantage to the player -e.g. psychological? To me it seems pretty redundant.

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In certain situations, yes it does create an advantage to show your non-winning cards @ showdown. & yes it is all psychological. Players who might've thought you were just raising to raise and push them out, will think the opposite when they see that you were actually raising w/ a quality hand. They might think twice when you are doing that again and they have a mediocre hand to call or raise with.

It definitely creates a disadvantage to yourself in certain situations to show your non-winning cards. In my opinion, it's pointless to show. It slows the game down and more importantly, the opposing players will gain info on how and what you're betting.
 
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I rarely ever show my muck unless I intend to get into other player's heads. Otherwise, I go by the thought, you gotta pay to see em'
 
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All poker is a game of incomplete information, online you have even less information than live, so why would you provide free information to the table?
 
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Thanks for your input, guys! It was really useful.
 
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Only time I like to show a hand , is when I know its a novice player after I bluff. Then I hope they will call me, if I get a premium hand later.If its a player or players that I have played before and I know they are experienced or aggressive, I never show a bluff but I will show a premium hand sometimes.If I had a non winning hand I like to show in hopes the winning player shows so that maybe I made the right read on them.
 
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Thanks, Playinbig. It seems pretty pointless to me to have an option to show cards after losing the hand. I guess it can't hurt anything, though.
 
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I like to show one of the cards. Normally I will pick a card like all the 4s and if I lose or they fold and I have a 4 I will show it. They start thinking I always have the 4 or they think I am crazy. :)
 
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I like to show one of the cards. Normally I will pick a card like all the 4s and if I lose or they fold and I have a 4 I will show it. They start thinking I always have the 4 or they think I am crazy. :)

OP is talking about online though, where you don't have the option to just show one card - you either show all of them or none of them.

Note too that if the hand has gone to showdown then everyone who was in the hand should be able to see what you had, regardless of whether you "muck" or not. On Full Tilt, for example, all you need to do is open the previous hand window and it'll show you the cards.

One other thing to be aware of, since we're talking about stud - note that some sites (maybe even all sites, IDK) will randomise the order of the player's hole cards or in some way reorder them so that you can't necessarily tell whether the player had you the whole way or whether they finally chased you down on seventh street. Sticking with Full Tilt as the example, IIRC they reorder the down cards in numerical order - so even if your cards in order were (75)6K8A(4) at showdown they'll appear as (45)6K8A(7).

They do this because it's common practice for live stud players to do the same thing.
 
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OP is talking about online though, where you don't have the option to just show one card - you either show all of them or none of them.

Note too that if the hand has gone to showdown then everyone who was in the hand should be able to see what you had, regardless of whether you "muck" or not. On Full Tilt, for example, all you need to do is open the previous hand window and it'll show you the cards.

One other thing to be aware of, since we're talking about stud - note that some sites (maybe even all sites, IDK) will randomise the order of the player's hole cards or in some way reorder them so that you can't necessarily tell whether the player had you the whole way or whether they finally chased you down on seventh street. Sticking with Full Tilt as the example, IIRC they reorder the down cards in numerical order - so even if your cards in order were (75)6K8A(4) at showdown they'll appear as (45)6K8A(7).

They do this because it's common practice for live stud players to do the same thing.


Interesting. My post was more directed at online holdem some sites let me show one some dont. I never show live.
 
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Interesting. My post was more directed at online holdem some sites let me show one some dont. I never show live.

In a non-showdown hand, sure. But OP specifies we're talking about showdown hands here. I can't believe there are any sites that'll give you the option to only show one card at showdown - it'd be a waste of time, since all the players in the hand are entitled to see both your cards anyway.
 
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like everyone has said its normallay not a good thing to show cards but live or online in some situations it can be advantagous to show. but in these cases its not something you do often. I often do it in the middle of a game when i've been playing loose and have found it to the time to change my game to tight.
 
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For the most part like everyone else I will not show my cards. If i get a few hands that i raise and people fold I will try one time with garbage. when it is folded to me I will tend to show them just to get into peoples heads. this work since the next i tend to play after it is going to be a premium hand. I tend to do this more on the money bubble than anything else just to get into peoples heads.
 
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I almost never show a winning hand. There are exceptions, but they are rare.

It's even more rare that I show a fold to a bet. I simply do not want other players to think they can bluff me off a winning hand. Most of the time I know ahead of time that I am going to fold to any bet, so I do it quickly. The only situation I can think of where I show a fold is when I am BB with complete trash and I fold to a LP raiser.
 
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I only show my cards when I have either pulled off some spectacular bluff where I got them off about half of their stack with absolute air or they folded and I have first or second nuts so that they can see that I'm not messing around, so after that hand I can use the same betting pattern again only with nothing and my opponents will believe I am strong ;)
 
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OP is talking about online though, where you don't have the option to just show one card - you either show all of them or none of them.

You can show just 1 card on Carbon in holdem, not sure about stud though you might have to show all if you choose.

No need to give away free information......However ppl that show me TPTK TPGK I'll show em one card whether I had it or not just to mess with them sometimes.

In a non-showdown hand, sure. But OP specifies we're talking about showdown hands here. I can't believe there are any sites that'll give you the option to only show one card at showdown - it'd be a waste of time, since all the players in the hand are entitled to see both your cards anyway.

I didn't think you could do that live either in a showdown......at a B&M game in Tunica I had 4cards to a Qhi str8 and flipped over my J and the dealer along with everyone else at the table told me to turn both cards over or muck my hand even though the 6 in my hand had nothing to do with my 5card made hand. I thought it was strange but was like ok here ya go I still have the str8 btw lol
 
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Some people dont like to show their cards because they dont like to give their opponent(s) information. Every now and then i find showing them a bluff or a nice hand can help out later. It can also hurt you though, they may not interpet what you are trying to portray the way you want them too, so you gotta be careful.
 
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I didn't think you could do that live either in a showdown......at a B&M game in Tunica I had 4cards to a Qhi str8 and flipped over my J and the dealer along with everyone else at the table told me to turn both cards over or muck my hand even though the 6 in my hand had nothing to do with my 5card made hand. I thought it was strange but was like ok here ya go I still have the str8 btw lol

It's standard in a live game that you have to show both your cards to win any part of the pot. Among other things it's a measure to prevent cheating.

OP was never talking about the winning hand though, he was talking about losing hands at showdown. In a live game there's nothing stopping you turning over just one card as you muck if you're not claiming any part of the pot. Just be aware that house rules may dictate the dealer turns over the other card in some places, and that wherever you're playing if the hand goes to showdown then anyone who was dealt cards in the hand is entitled to see your cards if they want to. It's considered a pretty douchey thing to do, but that doesn't stop some people doing it and they are entitled to do so.
 
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if you dont know exactly why you are showing and have something in mind then you should just muck. you never know if itll give your opponent an edge.
 
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Im not sure about 7 card stud because I dont play it that well but for holdem I like to show bluffs when im playing really tight so I can try to get some action later on. If im playing loose, I usually just muck and let them keep guessing.

So I think you could apply that to here. If players think you are only betting with a strong hand or weak hands, show some hands to confuse players a little bit. Otherwise, I dont think you should give too much info.
 
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