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I have been playing on intertops poker the past week and I saw something that piqued my interest. When I went in their database to look at my stats there was a "tip" that stated if your showdown win percentage isn't around 50% then you are not bluffing enough. I never saw or thought of this tip before. I just would like some feedback on what people think about this "tip" that was offered. I typically try to have a high showdown win percentage. Your thoughts are appreciated.
 
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Most winning players SD winning % will be right around 50% over large samples.

If yours is significantly higher it may be indicative of several factors though not just that you're not bluffing enough (over small samples it's meaningless). It could also be that you're playing fit or fold so you're giving up too much. Or it could be that you're failing to value bet often enough on the river so you're seeing SDs with the best hands when your opponents would have folded (yeah I know that if they fold when you bet it doesn't matter but just betting more often on the river and occasionally losing is a good thing because if you're picking the right spots you'll be getting called by weaker hands even more often).
 
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WV thanks for the insight. I do know part of my problem is not value betting the river. I know each hand is different but I know I usually don't bet the river when its a scary board and I got called on the flop and turn such as if the board has a pair on it or if there is 3 suited cards or 3 cards for a straight. This is a mind set I need to get out of and I'm working on it. So yes I'm probably costing myself a ton of value for the times people will call. What are typically good spots to get a weaker hand to call? Or is that to general of a question?
 
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Too general. Better to post a few hands where you checked the river but think you might have been better betting (or vice-versa).

I'm going to assume you're playing micro stakes since this is in learning poker. Learning how to bet the river effectively is a skill that few micro stakes players have. They either bluff at too many rivers or check and/or call with everything but the nuts. Both are bad (too much bluffing is worse at micros) and cost you money. There are definitely hands when betting the river with even TPTK is dumb and others were you can bet TPNK with confidence. Learning to spot the difference between the 2 (hand reading, board textures, opponent type/actions/reads) will make you a lot of money.
 
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I think this is one of my mistakes too while playing poker, thanks for the advices too. I should check and correct this.

I play micro LHE too, and may have a aprox 80% SD win :S
 
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I think this is one of my mistakes too while playing poker, thanks for the advices too. I should check and correct this.

I play micro LHE too, and may have a aprox 80% SD win :S
I have NO IDEA what these numbers should be for Limit (I would actually think under 50% would be the norm since you should be value betting thinner than at NL but I could be way off).
 
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Too general. Better to post a few hands where you checked the river but think you might have been better betting (or vice-versa).

I'm going to assume you're playing micro stakes since this is in learning poker. Learning how to bet the river effectively is a skill that few micro stakes players have. They either bluff at too many rivers or check and/or call with everything but the nuts. Both are bad (too much bluffing is worse at micros) and cost you money. There are definitely hands when betting the river with even TPTK is dumb and others were you can bet TPNK with confidence. Learning to spot the difference between the 2 (hand reading, board textures, opponent type/actions/reads) will make you a lot of money.

Yup, and the lower the micro stakes, the wider the range of possible opponent actions and reactions. By that I mean top pair w/decent kicker may be slightly ahead of some opponents but way ahead of others, and both may call a small bet, or both may call a big bet. On the other hand against other players you may be almost always behind.

And as for the bluffing part of the "tip" that you read, be careful trying to use that without reads. The lower the stakes, the more likely they'll still call with bottom pair. I think the lower the stakes the more it's opponent dependent than board dependent because fewer opponents know how to read boards or can read what you are representing.
 
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Yeah I try not to bluff to much at the limits I play because people will call you to the river with bottom pair.
 
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If your SDW% winnings at LHE is 80%, you are not a winning LH player, you are never bluffing and never value bet second pair.
 
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