Should I not Raise More?

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I tend to Raise the Exact Same Size when I'm first to enter a pot (Depending on Blind Levels)...I usually do anywhere From 3.5x-2.5x as the Blinds Increase....Now here's my Main Concern

Take this Hand for Example....





pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, 0 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 40 Ante (8 handed)

BB (t4645)
UTG (t5904)
UTG+1 (t6597)
MP1 (t2761)
Hero (MP2) (t8252)
CO (t4368)
Button (t6577)
SB (t5680)

Hero's M: 8.97

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4
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, A
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3 folds, Hero bets t1000, 4 folds

Total pot: t1320

Results:
Hero didn't show 4
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, A
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(nothing).
Outcome: Hero won t1320




As you Can All see it's Cheap for the BB to Call me Correct? 600:1900+ so He's getting 3:1 to see a flop which is Pretty Decent odds...So My Main Concern is Should'nt I be Raising More with Marginal hands such as this, So that way they are less likely to want to call, or Exactly what Should I do, because If I start raising More with Weak Hands, Then I also hand to start raising More with Premo hands, and I don't really like this, and it also makes my bluffs harder when the Pot is Much Bigger and It gives away my good hands when I do have the goods...

So Plz help me with this problem
 
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2.5x always... 3x if your too lazy to type. ;)

edit: if your playing with unknowns (moved to new table, etc.) then obviously raise 3X with your premiums. the difference between 2.5 - 3bb is rarely ever going to change their range against you.
 
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It really depends imo (mainly on my reads on the rest of the table) - I tend to bet even less when opening in mid positions (bit larger in EP).

2.1-2.5x BB - Reason being that these bets will make opponents fold as much as any bigger bet

whereas you don't lose that much when you are 3bet shoved upon and forced to fold.

Also your c-bet will be smaller.

I would have bet 900 there probably.

Another thought:

BB (t4645) = M<8
UTG (t5904)
UTG+1 (t6597)
MP1 (t2761)
Hero (MP2) (t8252)
CO (t4368) = M<8
Button (t6577) = M~11
SB (t5680) = M~9.5


All opponents acting behind you are getting shortstacked or are already short and might start 3bet shoving just this very moment.
 
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Since all the stacks behind us are small, we want to make it as small as possible as they are pretty much going to either 3bet or fold (with occasional calls depending on the table texture (if they are calling stations behind us, you may want to just fold this pre.

with the stack setup the way it is, a simple min-raise will usually get the job done. Especially if we are planning to fold to a shove. 800 lets us get away cheaper, the pot is smaller if they do decide to call, and we're still charging most of the stacks behind us a decent chunk of their stack if they do wish to call (you want to aim for ~10% of their stack).

I totally disagree with making it a set amount all the time, other factors come into play, like stack situations, table texture, how large the stacks are behind us, how likely they are to 3bet etc etc etc.
 
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All opponents acting behind you are getting shortstacked or are already short and might start 3bet shoving just this very moment.
And if they're not.. they really should be. If they're 'calling' preflop raises (w/o intention of getting it in like 100% of the time on the flop) they are just plain REAL BAD!

Your logic of 'raising more' is flawed because you're pricing yourself in if pretty much any of them 3bai.
 
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I would raise 2x here and probably wouldn't steal here unless the table was playing really tight.
 
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And if they're not.. they really should be. If they're 'calling' preflop raises (w/o intention of getting it in like 100% of the time on the flop) they are just plain REAL BAD!

Your logic of 'raising more' is flawed because you're pricing yourself in if pretty much any of them 3bai.

I agree. Thinking ahead to your likely decision against a 3bai which is likely or should be likely you don't want to price yourself into a situation you're not prepared to call.
 
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I don't remember who, but some pros advocate adjusting your opening size by position. More in EP since you're OOP and have more opponents to get through, and less in better positions. Another consideration is the player in the BB. The amount of your bet only matters if the player will react differently. Against those who don't notice or who just "play their cards" the same way regardless of your bet size, you can vary your sizing because it won't matter.
 
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fold that A4s, too many short stacks behind you

i make it 2.1x pretty much always after antes kick in
 
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raise 3x most times
and playin a 4 will get u in trouble
 
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some advice i have read that apply's to micro's.
with a medium strengh hand and you want to 'steal'
the blinds, bet the minimum that you think they will fold to.
with a premium hand that you will commit with
bet the maximum that you think they will call.
the 3xbb in micro is a mistake because a lot of the players
dont pay attention.
higher limits are different
thats what the book says.

what dya think ?
 
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some advice i have read that apply's to micro's.
with a medium strengh hand and you want to 'steal'
the blinds, bet the minimum that you think they will fold to.
with a premium hand that you will commit with
bet the maximum that you think they will call.
the 3xbb in micro is a mistake because a lot of the players
dont pay attention.
higher limits are different
thats what the book says.

what dya think ?

3x all the time would be a mistake I'd think personally but that's just me...I mean 3x with AA and 3x with KJo in Position is just too much for me personally but then again that's just me...I'm personally gonna stick with the 2.1xRaise that Pascal had stated and Good Position hopefully that will make things easier on me in the long run
 
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tcummo makes a good point tho, if there's a massive fish left to act there's nothing wrong with raising 4x especially in the early levels

i make it 3x until around 50/100 or 100/200 fwiw
 
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I go 3X all the way until the antes are equal to or less than the small blind (usually shirthanded) then I reduce to 2.5X. I feel like I get called light and/or floated with the smaller raise...
 
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