Should I have shoved here?

Shoving the flop would be bad - TPMK isn't shoveworthy in a limped pot. You played postflop fine.

Both UTG and MP missed opportunities, though - if UTG had raised pf, he should've taken down the pot (I assume you're not calling pf if he raises, and even if you are, you're folding to a strong flop bet?). MP could've re-raised his straight draw on the flop, his pot equity isn't bad and he should have good fold equity in a limped pot.

qt is too weak for me to play utg....especially with a limp.

dcor said:

qt is too weak for me to play utg....especially with a limp.

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We're sb - but I actually think it's too weak to play there as well, I don't like completing the sb pf.

Wouldn't mind, though, if we had raised pf to 6.5xbb give or take, giving us initiative postflop and thinning the field (probably taking the pot pf) - all the limpers are likely weak.

I just limp there because if I get called there after a big preflop raise, that leaves me in bad shape. At micro levels, in the past, I've been called by ace rags, and small to medium pocket pairs, all of which I would be in bad shape against on the flop if I don't hit anything. Would have to fold to a raise, so I just decided to limp in and hope to catch a good flop.

The key to making a raise there isn't whether Hero catches anything, it's whether Villain catches anything.

Since you'll have initiative postflop, and Villain will miss the flop most of the time, you can cbet flops that likely missed Villain strongly and he'll have to fold. If Ax is a significant part of his calling range pf, most flops that don't contain an A are good flops to cbet.

If he raises preflop (not knowing how utg plays) utg might 3 bet shove looks like with the limp he might of been waiting on this preflop any how,i'm not sure o.

I think you played this fine. Pre-flop, with the pot odds, folding isn't really an option, and while raising gives us the initiative, our hand is mediocre and we're out of position, so I'd stay away from that option. On the flop I might bet a little less, as it would accomplish pretty much the same thing as your pot-sized bet. Turn call was good, we're probably folding if the bet was around $1, though. Probably c/f river, nice win at showdown.

JOEBOB69 said:

If he raises preflop (not knowing how utg plays) utg might 3 bet shove looks like with the limp he might of been waiting on this preflop any how,i'm not sure o.

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Clear fold then, but this is the exception rather than the norm. We'll win the limp + blinds often enough that this is a winning play.