should i have called?

pokerstars Game #27223159048: Tournament #155248948, $0.10+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/04/18 9:11:39 CT [2009/04/18 10:11:39 ET]
Table '155248948 232' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: toonsbaby (2590 in chips)
Seat 2: kambeiriño (2590 in chips)
Seat 3: Pasdetot (1455 in chips)
Seat 4: scary-buck (1560 in chips)
Seat 5: anarchy304 (4500 in chips)
Seat 6: RIVERTONCROW (1710 in chips)
Seat 7: ojio (1425 in chips)
Seat 8: miele64 (1585 in chips)
Seat 9: PCishere (3525 in chips)
anarchy304: posts small blind 25
RIVERTONCROW: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to anarchy304 [Tc 4c]
ojio: calls 50
miele64: folds
PCishere: raises 100 to 150
toonsbaby: folds
kambeiriño: folds
Pasdetot: folds
toonsbaby is sitting out
scary-buck: folds
anarchy304: folds
toonsbaby has returned
RIVERTONCROW: calls 100
ojio: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Td Kc 3c]
toonsbaby is sitting out
RIVERTONCROW: bets 100
ojio: folds
PCishere: calls 100
*** TURN *** [Td Kc 3c] 6♣
RIVERTONCROW: bets 250
PCishere: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [Td Kc 3c 6c] 7♥
RIVERTONCROW: bets 500
PCishere: calls 500


even if no one raised. should you call the bb??? for an extra 25?
what do you guys think

10 4 suited you made the right play, you folded. You've got a really bad hand and you'll be out of position against everyone in a raised pot. If you had a lot of limpers in the pot before it got around to you then you can call, and pray for a miracle flop, but even then you'll usually be folding post flop. Even if you hit a good flop with a 10 4, with several limpers, there's a good chance you're dominated by a better flush or a 10 with a better kicker.

I'm assuming you would have won the pot had you stayed in. Don't be results oriented. You made the correct play preflop.

I probably would call if it was only a small bit extra with a suited hand, but you can end up chasing and losing a decent amount of chips if it goes wrong.

Ex. If the 3rd club didn't come on the turn, you would end up losing any more chips invested or chasing again on the river and maybe losing a sizeable amount if you don't hit your club on the river.

Not many flops are going to help you so folding is the way to go.

Given the clallers and raisers before you had to fold. No other option. If however everybody had folded to you or even if one other player had limped I would have called.

someone opened with a raise you have to fold. you dont have a good kicker if all you have is a pair of tens and you are already behind in the hand to begin with. In addition you are playing the hand out of position, definitely not worth it

If there's no raise then yeah sure call, but since there was a raise, calling that would have been a pretty poor play. Out of position, with not a very good hand, suited or not!

Players these days overvalue suitedness alot.

if there is no raise then any cards are good enough to CHECK , why would you fold if it does not cost you anything to see the flop from BB? some people will call a raise with T4s out of the BB but they know what they are calling it for. They plan to hit the flop hard, either flush draw or a set. If you want to play hands like that then it must be CASH games or DEEP stack tournaments. Dont try to pull those moves in short stack games..

That was an easy fold even if it folded to you. Correct play sir gj

1. You were out of position.
2. You had a less than average hand,even though they were suited.
3. You were chip leader in the tournament.

Don't think because they are suited it's a good hand. In a nutshell, good fold.

Let me say it plainly, you did the right move. Of course there are some cases in which if you had called you could catch a monster, who knows even two pairs or full house! But in the long run it will make you lose money cause those chances are very small. You also have to take other things into consideration. Your chip stack, how the people play, etc. I mean if the people there are really really tight then you could be a bit agressive with that hand, but in this case someone raised, and you wouldn't want to reraise a tight player. You did a good move in the end.

Me being me, I would've called that bet then raised enough to make the rest fold. Suited cards deserve a flop.

TheseNutsWin said:

if there is no raise then any cards are good enough to CHECK , why would you fold if it does not cost you anything to see the flop from BB? some people will call a raise with T4s out of the BB but they know what they are calling it for. They plan to hit the flop hard, either flush draw or a set. If you want to play hands like that then it must be CASH games or DEEP stack tournaments. Dont try to pull those moves in short stack games..

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I think you misread. OP (our hero) is in the SB (not the BB). He was asking about CALLING the BB.

Yes, I would normally call if it limped around, especially since this is a Stars dimer turbo. But even then you take the chance that the BB may still raise. Then what? Call again, out of position with a weak hand?

pokertoi said:

Me being me, I would've called that bet then raised enough to make the rest fold. Suited cards deserve a flop.

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I know .... B-I-N-G-O !!! 10,4 suited are TWO RAGS, nothing more, and DESERVE to be folded in most cases.

I think you made the right play here by folding 10 4 is not a good hand even if suited fold fold fold.

Folding for a good reason

By folding this hand, you are aggressively setting yourself in a better position (stackwise) for when you do have a hand worth playing. Leaking that chip lead away is a bad idea.

Not to mention the added risk you take playing 10-4s. This has second best flush written all over it. It's a hand made to take chunks of your stack.

You did it right.:smile:

thanks people. i was curious because i had such a large chip lead, whether or not it would have been worth it.

An auto fold would be my play. Your in great position, why play and risk the chips.