Shorthand NL

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Does anyone know of any good online resources for shorthand Hold Em NL or any general tips (ring or tourney, either would be helpful)?

I know you play more hands preflop then. Is that all there is to it? I'm thinking pocket pairs go up in value and drawing hands go down. What should I take to showdown in these games? Does bluffing become more necessary, or less?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I'm thinking pocket pairs go up in value and drawing hands go down.
I'd say this is the opposite if anything. Setmining becomes less profitable, while implied odds postflop become more important.

My main advice is raise more preflop, and 3-bet more. And stacking with TPTK, while not a sin, is still a fairly big leak if you're not very careful.

And get reads! Know what your opponent knows. If you know he knows about 3-betting light & stealing blinds, then start incorporating 4-bet bluffs into your game. Reads make you a ton of money short handed.

And that's all for ring games. I don't know anything about the 1-street donkaments ;)
 
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Biggest mistake I see is people playing too loose.

It's true, you need to open your starting and raising requirements some. But at the same time, you shouldn't lose your mind over it. Your AT is a stronger hand, but it's still pretty weak vs a three-bet before the flop, and TPTK is still just TPTK - it can be beat by all sorts of things.
 
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Okay so how do we know when to 3-bet? when should we do it and why shoould we do it?? or to whom to we do it to?
 
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When you set-mine, you're assuming you'll be getting a stack often enough to justify the times when you hit a set.

In my experience, players are playing more hands than in full ring, so its less likely that they'll have a hand to stack off with when you hit your set. So in 6max, you need better set mining odds to do it profitably. There's also more 3-betting in 6max, so its just harder to get to a flop for cheap.

However, once players start getting aggro on the flop, they fold less on later streets. So calling with draws becomes more profitable.

It just has to do with where the "implied odds play" is happening. With a set mine, you're calling preflop & hoping to hit a fit or fold hand on the flop. With calling with a draw, you're calling on the flop hoping to hit a fit or fold hand on the turn/river. So in 6 max, peeling the turn/riv is more profitable.

I hope that made some kind of sense.


Okay so how do we know when to 3-bet? when should we do it and why shoould we do it?? or to whom to we do it to?
Oh boy. Um... you could write a lot about 3-betting light. So I'll just tell you the reasons we 3-bet are:

1) It counter acts our positional disadvantage. So if we're raised preflop by a late position player, and we're in the blinds, then we 3-bet to try and avoid playing the hand out of position.

2) Players open light. Since the blinds hit you more often, and there's less players, people play more hands. They make more steals, and they raise with weaker hands. So we can 3-bet more hands for value, since their raising range is wider.

3) Getting your blinds stolen is a bit annoying, and you should defend them once in a while if a villain is getting ultra-abusive. But this isn't that big of a reason.
 
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