Set-mining : When ?

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Tourneys or cash game

We' ll admit we've got the implied odds to call the 3bet or call a raise preflop.

I feel like I have to see a flop everytime when possible when I've got 22-88. Unless I'm short stacked.
Sometimes I fold when I'm like Utg+2 and the Utg opened.

I see pro on tv folding pocket pair sometimes where I would call or even open.

I think I'm doing it wrong, but I don't quite get it where exactly.

Could you help me a bit?

When do you think it's the best spot to try to hit a set with a pocket pair?
And when folding?
 
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Odds of flopping a set is 15/2 about 12%, but obviously you aren't getting paid every time you hit and occasionally they will have a bigger set so you will lose.

Times you can call to set mine you should make sure you are getting at least 15/1 and ideally greater than 20/1 to make up for the times when you hit and don't get paid off

In tournaments you can only really set mine in early levels

Example if you have 60 Big Blinds and somebody raises 3 Big Blinds then you can set mine because you are getting 20/1 if you hit and get paid off.

Cash games same applies as long as they have 20times your call in their stack.

Another thing to note is ideally they are a NIT/Tight Player raising UTG when they will have a strong range AK and Big Pairs, who finds it difficult to fold over pairs so if the flop is 238 and they have AA and you called with 33 you will have a good chance to win their stack as they don't like folding Aces.

NOte : - If they are a passive player you may find it difficult to stack them even if they have an overpair and may onl get the money in Set vs Set
 
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i set a rule for set mining i wont call if the bet is 3x the bb anything more they hit the muck
 
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I like to set mine but will take my position and pre-flop action into consideration as well. I don't like to call a 3X or more raise but might if enough callers enter the pot or if I have position on an active player who I feel will pay me off if I hit.
 
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You have to consider blind-to-stack ratio, stack sizes, your position, opponents in the hand and the pot size when you enter it. There is no point really trying to set mine if noone is going to pay you off, therefore its best to employ it against aggressive opponents when you can mine cheaply.
 
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In a tourney, if you can see a flop with less than 1/15 of your stack

In a cash game, always for one raise, then if there is a 3 bet, there have to be at least 2 others in the hand.
 
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I consider my stack size. I wont call a raise with small pairs unless it won't hurt my stack. if it's over 3x, then I muck them.
 
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I like to set mine but will take my position and pre-flop action into consideration as well. I don't like to call a 3X or more raise but might if enough callers enter the pot or if I have position on an active player who I feel will pay me off if I hit.

Me too . I think my position , the bets , how many entered , I use the rule of ten when I am to make call to bets or raises when I have pairs , if it's one only player position and board gtexture will play big role , but I have to improve on that field:rolleyes:

Odds of flopping a set is 15/2 about 12%, but obviously you aren't getting paid every time you hit and occasionally they will have a bigger set so you will lose.

Times you can call to set mine you should make sure you are getting at least 15/1 and ideally greater than 20/1 to make up for the times when you hit and don't get paid off

In tournaments you can only really set mine in early levels

Example if you have 60 Big Blinds and somebody raises 3 Big Blinds then you can set mine because you are getting 20/1 if you hit and get paid off.

Cash games same applies as long as they have 20times your call in their stack.

Another thing to note is ideally they are a NIT/Tight Player raising UTG when they will have a strong range AK and Big Pairs, who finds it difficult to fold over pairs so if the flop is 238 and they have AA and you called with 33 you will have a good chance to win their stack as they don't like folding Aces.

NOte : - If they are a passive player you may find it difficult to stack them even if they have an overpair and may onl get the money in Set vs Set

Very good advice . I will remember the rule/ numbers/percentage propability 15/2-12% to make a set , and that we have to get paid at least a 15/1 or better at least 20/1 in tours/cash games to make up for loses (I hate when it's set vs flush draw ...) . I have to understand all these about sets as I have seen I dont get paid enough when I hit them ...
 
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i set a rule for set mining i wont call if the bet is 3x the bb anything more they hit the muck
This is a really, really silly rule..

Are you saying if stacks are 100 BBs deep, you're folding a pair to a 3-4x BB raise? What about implied odds?
 
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5-10% effective stack size depending on villains tendencies.
 
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This is a really, really silly rule..

Are you saying if stacks are 100 BBs deep, you're folding a pair to a 3-4x BB raise? What about implied odds?

Exactly correct. Implied odds have to be considered. You also have to consider how many other players are in the pot, how many are left to act behind you and what you are going to do if it is a very dry flop, for example, you have pocket 7's and the flop is 2 2 5. I have also folded small pairs from early position just because I don't want to be making a decision when the button shoves. I have heard a lot of the pros talking about pot control with small pairs, so they don't end up giving away too many chips when the flop is all overs and raiser makes big bet. I have also heard some raise with small pairs to get hands like Q J or K 9 to fold pre-flop. Again, it depends on your opponents and what they are likely to do or hands they will play. I don't know how many times I have seen suited 7 8 call an all-in and end up going against pocket 6's. I hope this helps a bit, because there are numerous factors to consider when making a decision. GL whichever way you go.
 
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Calling (and preferably raising) small pairs isn't always about a set. A large portion of the time you are in a coin flip.

If I'm early in a tournament I'll try to see a cheap flop and hit a set. Later in the tournament I will raise and c-bet any flop with a pair. Lots of ways to get value out of a small pair, but what I always avoid is playing a large pot with a small pair, even a medium pair.
 
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