Set Mining too often?

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How often do you set mining and how much chips do you willing to invest in relation to your stack in making a profitable set mining?
 
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How often do you set mining and how much chips do you willing to invest in relation to your stack in making a profitable set mining?

As far as I know preflop, the maximum call can be 1/20 of the villains's chips. Then it's worth set mining. If there are more players in, then it can be more OFC.
 
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As far as I know preflop, the maximum call can be 1/20 of the villains's chips. Then it's worth set mining. If there are more players in, then it can be more OFC.
can you explain what you mean by 1/20 of villain's chips?

Set mining depends on effective stacks. You'll hit your set 1 in 8 times, so effective stacks should at least be 8x the bet as a minimum to be able to set mine.

However, in order to be profitable, effective stacks should be deeper, at least 20-25x the bet. These extra bets act as a buffer for situations where you hit a set and a) don't get paid off or b) still lose.
 
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can you explain what you mean by 1/20 of villain's chips?

Set mining depends on effective stacks. You'll hit your set 1 in 8 times, so effective stacks should at least be 8x the bet as a minimum to be able to set mine.

However, in order to be profitable, effective stacks should be deeper, at least 20-25x the bet. These extra bets act as a buffer for situations where you hit a set and a) don't get paid off or b) still lose.

he means the same as you, just put abit differently....

1/20<20x...
 
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There's a common rule called the 5/10 rule. If the call is 5% or less of effective stacks, it's an easy call. If it's between 5-10%, then it's really opponent dependent. The worse the player is, generally the higher percentage you can afford to call.
 
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Yeah, the 5%-Rule is a good thing.
 
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Its not just about implied odds.

If a good TAG raises and its folded do you, and you are out of position with a mid/low pp there really there isnt a great deal of point calling. A good player will not pay you off enough to make it worthwhile and you are going to find hard to turn your hand into a bluff oop.

Also another thing to consider is the players left to act behind you, no point calling 4xbb if its going to get raised behind all the time and you have to fold or call with poor implied odds.
 
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Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker – By Stewart Reuben and Bob Ciaffone
However, one bit of good advice reminded us to use the “Five and Ten Rule.” Quoting: “When contemplating calling a raise because your position is good, you have a clear call if the amount is less than five percent of your stack, and a clear fold if it is more than ten percent. In between those numbers use your judgment.” Everyone looks for a gauge; here is one you could start using today.

Note: when playing cash especially, 10x the amount of the bet is what the raiser should have in their stack for you to call. If they have $5 and raise $.75 forget it. If they have $15 total and raise $.75 there is enough money to pay you off (implied odds of hitting your 7.5-1 outs). Some even think it should be 12-15x, due to the fact in some cases you will hit the set and lose to a boat, flush, or straight.

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can you explain what you mean by 1/20 of villain's chips?

Set mining depends on effective stacks. You'll hit your set 1 in 8 times, so effective stacks should at least be 8x the bet as a minimum to be able to set mine.

However, in order to be profitable, effective stacks should be deeper, at least 20-25x the bet. These extra bets act as a buffer for situations where you hit a set and a) don't get paid off or b) still lose.

Yeah,should be at least 25x for buffer IMO.
 
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That rule is obsolete. It implies you need to hit to win the pot whereas there are things called floating, check-folding by opponents, bet-folding and other stuff.

However cold calling 3bets to setmine is utterly retarded regardless of stack sizes.
 
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