Sattelite Bubble - Who Gets In?

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I experienced a strange situation today. I was playing in a satellite to a bigger tournament. The satellite awarded 20 tickets, and 21 players remained. However, I was sitting on only 185 chips with the blinds at 100/200. But I was in 19th place as 2 players had less than 100 chips.

I opened the other tables up to see who would be blinded out first, and discovered that one of the short stacks would hit the big blind on the next hand. He hit and quadrupled up, so I fell to 20th place, with a guy with only 40 chips in 21st.

The big blinds hit us on the same hand (and at exactly the same time since hand-for-hand play was in progress.)

So I wondered, what if we both lost the hand? Who would get the ticket? I thought of the possibilities......
  1. It will be based on time. Whoever went to showdown chronologically first, would finish in 21st, since the other player "outlasted" him, at least when looking at the time the 2 players went out.
  2. I will win because I had more chips entering the hand, even though we were both eliminated on the same hand.
  3. It will be random. The site will flip a coin since we technically "tied" and the winner of the coin flip will win the ticket.
Sure enough, we both lost, but he went to showdown 10 seconds after I had already been knocked out, because his table was playing more slowly than mine (we were both in the Big Blind and all-in, so neither of us could affect the pace of play.)

Luckily, Full Tilt gave me the ticket and he finished empty-handed. Is this because of reason 2, reason 3, or for some reason I have not considered?
 
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If you both lost here, you would win with a bigger starting stack.

You lost, but you still won. LOL.
 
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If you both lost here, you would win with a bigger starting stack.

You lost, but you still won. LOL.


Thanks for the reply! Is this the case at all the online poker sites, or just Full Tilt? Also, could I expect the same ruling in a casino?
 
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Yes as far as I know (definitely if you are at the same table). As long as you're hand for hand I pretty sure it's no different than being at the same table.
 
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Pretty sure it's the same for all sites. Don't see why it wouldn't be for a casino, either.
 
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Yes as far as I know (definitely if you are at the same table). As long as you're hand for hand I pretty sure it's no different than being at the same table.

We were not at the same table.
 
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See this situation pretty often playing DoNs, and it is the same on FT, PS, and the Merge network. In the event of two people going out at the same time on the bubble the larger stack at the beginning of the hand wins. I would assume its the same for a live tourney, but of course is only possible on multiple tables if they are playing hand for hand.
 
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This situation describes exactly why the tourney goes hand for hand during this critical moment, and at the final table bubble as well.
 
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OK, thanks everyone! I had never encountered this before so I wanted to make sure. This is the most logical solution to the problem in my opinion.

Now, what would happen if our stack sizes were equal going into the hand?

They can't really give us half a ticket, so would we get half the value of the ticket deposited into our accounts?
 
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Yeah thats why they have hand for hand mode.
 
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Yep, i went crazy at the support team at pp because i got knocked out on the bubble with a full house yet the person who had bottom pair placed above me and cashed. lol idiot me didnt read it up, but its definately the person with the lowest stack gets to be last.
 
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Yep, i went crazy at the support team at pp because i got knocked out on the bubble with a full house yet the person who had bottom pair placed above me and cashed. lol idiot me didnt read it up, but its definately the person with the lowest stack gets to be last.

Yep person with the lowest stack getting knocked out at the same time places lower. If two small stacks went out on the same hand and had the exact same number of chips at the start of the hand, then the "tie breaker"/higher place finish would go to the better hand. I believe this is standard across all sites/poker rooms as well.
 
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