My ring game tactic

Hello I see many people have problem with the ring games and the money they lose in...Well i do too, thats why i have made one tactic - if my bankroll is small, i play 0.01/0.02,with the minimum of 0,40$ and every 0,30-40$ i win, i leave that table and start on new, with the minimum deposit again So, i cant lose more, than i have won before i sit on the new table and i am even - no win, but no lose too. That i make too on the biggest limits - i always deposit the minimum money and then after every win or every second ( depends if i am on a winning spree) i leave it with + to my bankroll and the chance to lose more is minimal. Man should know when to stop, but mostly man doesn't know when So friends, thats my decision to that problem

Hello, actually it's a well-known strategy which is followed by many people including me. As you said a disadvantage of this tactics is that when you have a real strong hand you won't be able to win a big stack.
So I don't buy-in with the minimum amount anymore. I'm just trying to learn how not to lose so much to afraid to play with more than the minimum.

I'm a ring game reg too & my buy-in strategy is somewhere between the middle.
In 10nl I buy in for 7 dollar, in 20nl I buy in for 15 dollar & in 25nl I buy in for 20 dollar.
The reason for this is to reduce risk indeed, because I don't like to play very deep, so if I double up I still have a reasonable stack, from the moment I triple up I'm thinking about leaving when the game is not great. If I have position on loose fish, I obviously stay.
The reason for this buy-in amount, is because a lot of people just give you less credit if you don't buy in completely I think. If you have the auto-top-up, people just will think you're a better player in general. Don't know if it's true, I just feel like this.
Ofcours when I'm next to big stack fishes I do top up maximum, just to get maximum value, that's just plain logic

I think it depends on your playstyle... Everyone has his own point and way of understanding the game and the luck( or the lack of luck). + Someone can stop when he should , someone wouldnt...Its personal

Very true that it's personal. It also depends on the fact if you're up or down sometimes. I think people (including me) play a whole different style when they're in the middle of a winning session or losing one. It shouldn't affect it, I know, but it's hard to be without emotions.

I often use this strategy as well, and use a similar one for blackjack. If I'm winning and manage to double my buyin, I put that aside and will keep playing with just my original buyin. Often I'll move to another table, but will sometimes stay if I'm feelin' it...

This was my exact cash and dash method when I first started playing cash on UB after a friend xferred me a buck.

Once my BR there was much much larger that changed. It was much easier to do when there was a much higher volume at the US sites before Black Friday.

Nah for me it's post the max amount. I'd rather play with a full stack, because when you hit big, you're getting paid big.

I usually don't auto refill to max though. I like to know exactly how much I am down or up at on a table. If my stack starts to dwindle though I refill back to max and just take a quick mental note that I'm down $X.00.

When i first started playing i would double up my buy-in and leave the table, but that makes no sense. If the other people are paying you off almost every hand, stay and take all the profits. Sometimes I would be up over 5 buy-ins and I would cry to my wife to let me finish taking more money from the table LOL. Eventually she dragged me away from the computer though

This is interesting! I'll try.
It seems I do not know how to play ring games.
I play more tournaments and sit and go.

It's true that you minimise your losses by buying in small and leaving when up, BUT you also equally minimise your potential winnings, so this should never be the strategy of a winning player

You minimise winnings by not being able to win full stacks with your big hands or win full stacks vs fish, and you also minimise winnings by leaving potentially profitable tables too early

Buy in full, use auto top up and only leave the table when either your session ends or the the table fills up with regs is my advice

I just don't get it....if I play a ring game I'm just prepared to possibly losing a full BI (or even more) in 1 single hand....If I couldn't afford it I shouldn't play it....

Example, a real hand I played 2 days ago, 0,10/0,25:

I'm in the CO with KcKd and a $37,73 stack...1 limper in front of me...I bet, SB 3-bets, I 4-bet, SB 5-bet shoves for $25,10...I call and SB shows JcJs

So now we have a $50,70 pot in which I'm a 81 % favourite pre, which basically means my equity is ~$41

Suppose I started the hand with a stack of $15....after the shove the pot would be $30,50....still being a 81% favourite, now my equity would be ~$24,70.....

Which situation would you prefer ?

Question....why do we play ringames ? To minimize our losses, or to maximize our profits ? I think the answer is the latter.....if I were playing to minimize my losses, it would be wiser not playing at all, or at least drop down in stakes....

micromachine said:

It's true that you minimise your losses by buying in small and leaving when up, BUT you also equally minimise your potential winnings, so this should never be the strategy of a winning player

You minimise winnings by not being able to win full stacks with your big hands or win full stacks vs fish, and you also minimise winnings by leaving potentially profitable tables too early

Buy in full, use auto top up and only leave the table when either your session ends or the the table fills up with regs is my advice

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There are a many ideas that cry for a comment.

First, short stack play can be profitable at small stakes, but almost never is at higher stakes. The short stack makes you liable to post flop bluffs the 2/3s of the time when you don't hit your hand. The times when you do hit your hand good players won't pay you off.

Second, Good players will both loosen and tighten up, depending on their relative position. If they are to your right they get tight and tend to limp to see what you do. On your left they 3-bet loose or call strong forcing you to play bad stack to pot ratios out of position. Given the choice I will always take a seat to the left of a short stack and punish her for not buying in full.

Third, playing SS is DULL, especially at small stakes. Very few players have the discipline to play the style required, given the inability to play 12 tables at a time post Black Friday

Fourth, It is not real poker. It is really hard to semi-bluff when 1/3 of your stack is in on the flop. So you are forced to play Hit to Win.

Fifth, choosing your game based on your stack size is silly (IMHO). The reason to play at a table is you are a better player than 1/2 the table. If you are, stay. If you're not it is time to leave. How did you double up? Did you suck out, win a flip or out play someone? Why leave a good table, especially in a post Black Friday world with fewer opportunities.

Finally, poker is one very long session. I have been playing for 40 years and have been way up and busted out. The short stack, run away game is a long term loser for almost all players, because it limits the opportunity for growth and makes you a first level player with no opportunity to improve to a third or fourth level player.

I have the habit of doing the same strategy because as my bank roll is reduced, still do not have margins to greater losses. I'm trying to gradually reach a healthy bakroll where the buy-in represent not so much of my BR and then seek greater gains

Minimizing losses is fine but with this strategy you also minimize profits .I guess if you like shove poker and have a good grasp of allin ranges it is ok but this seems like more a strategy for single table SNGs to me .....scorp

anyone who isn't buying in max amount, you should be sitting to their right. Im starting to play micros more and finally started getting the hang of it after so long. But you can easily spot players making a ton of mistakes just looking at tables. I hated the idea and transition of playing tournament and going to cash, but now that im more experienced, im starting to understand why and how things work to playing poker.

always buy in max
auto up
raise preflop
.anyone doing none of this is usually a recreational player and not a regular at cash. you can easily spot them just by how they buy in.

zayzoo said:

anyone who isn't buying in max amount, you should be sitting to their right. Im starting to play micros more and finally started getting the hang of it after so long. But you can easily spot players making a ton of mistakes just looking at tables. I hated the idea and transition of playing tournament and going to cash, but now that im more experienced, im starting to understand why and how things work to playing poker.

always buy in max
auto up
raise preflop
.anyone doing none of this is usually a recreational player and not a regular at cash. you can easily spot them just by how they buy in.

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I did the reverse. I started from cash and went to tournaments. When I first started playing tournaments, I felt like a deer in headlights when it got to the push or fold moments of the tournament. Now I play both MTTs & cash

Sil3ntness said:

Nah for me it's post the max amount. I'd rather play with a full stack, because when you hit big, you're getting paid big.

I usually don't auto refill to max though. I like to know exactly how much I am down or up at on a table. If my stack starts to dwindle though I refill back to max and just take a quick mental note that I'm down $X.00.

When i first started playing i would double up my buy-in and leave the table, but that makes no sense. If the other people are paying you off almost every hand, stay and take all the profits. Sometimes I would be up over 5 buy-ins and I would cry to my wife to let me finish taking more money from the table LOL. Eventually she dragged me away from the computer though

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Same!

I used to do the same thing with min buy in, double up, leave tactic. Now I understand that if you win, it's for a reason. Why leave the table? There's obviously a reason why you have already won money at that table. There's more money to be won and players who will pay your hands off. Buy in big as you can and stay put if you start winning. It's the best strategy. Also there's the added bonus of getting such a stack built up that even the maximum buy in at the table is a mega short stack compared to it. Now that's poker.

miley17 said:

Hello I see many people have problem with the ring games and the money they lose in...Well i do too, thats why i have made one tactic - if my bankroll is small, i play 0.01/0.02,with the minimum of 0,40$ and every 0,30-40$ i win, i leave that table and start on new, with the minimum deposit again So, i cant lose more, than i have won before i sit on the new table and i am even - no win, but no lose too. That i make too on the biggest limits - i always deposit the minimum money and then after every win or every second ( depends if i am on a winning spree) i leave it with + to my bankroll and the chance to lose more is minimal. Man should know when to stop, but mostly man doesn't know when So friends, thats my decision to that problem

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is a good strategy I also bring min to tables myself since have a nothing bankroll just starting BUT had to mention is some sites on time limits that this wouldnt work that you must bring back what your account is for the next 30-45 minutes have seen both. So say started with 80 cents win 2.40 total leave table want to go to new table you cannot bring the 80 cents they make you bring the 2.40 for that time limit

So love idea but doesnt always work

thetick33 said:

is a good strategy I also bring min to tables myself since have a nothing bankroll just starting BUT had to mention is some sites on time limits that this wouldnt work that you must bring back what your account is for the next 30-45 minutes have seen both. So say started with 80 cents win 2.40 total leave table want to go to new table you cannot bring the 80 cents they make you bring the 2.40 for that time limit

So love idea but doesnt always work

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I see you play at ACR. Hes a little tip to get around that.. If you sit out then the software will eventually remove you from a seat after 5 minutes. You can then rebuy in for the minimum. I found this out after I was deepstacked and accidently sat out for more than 5 minutes. I was pretty bad because I like playing deep stack but live support said there is nothing they can do about it.

As for the strategy I dont know how anyone can say this is a good strategy. If you are a winning poker player then it is more profitable to buy in for the max. Plain and simple.

Landopope said:

I see you play at ACR. Hes a little tip to get around that.. If you sit out then the software will eventually remove you from a seat after 5 minutes. You can then rebuy in for the minimum. I found this out after I was deepstacked and accidently sat out for more than 5 minutes. I was pretty bad because I like playing deep stack but live support said there is nothing they can do about it.

As for the strategy I dont know how anyone can say this is a good strategy. If you are a winning poker player then it is more profitable to buy in for the max. Plain and simple.

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good tip but withdrew all winnings so starting everywhere from scratch owe people better if can do better right now so was about that more than me having a roll right now

So playing pennies and like to start with 40 cents or 80 cents when possible see how is running. lol So I like this strategy for now and is working usually when get up also want a break so the five minute thing will probably not help a ton but good news to have so thank you!!

atlantafalcons0 said:

Same!

I used to do the same thing with min buy in, double up, leave tactic. Now I understand that if you win, it's for a reason. Why leave the table? There's obviously a reason why you have already won money at that table. There's more money to be won and players who will pay your hands off. Buy in big as you can and stay put if you start winning. It's the best strategy. Also there's the added bonus of getting such a stack built up that even the maximum buy in at the table is a mega short stack compared to it. Now that's poker.

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i find the bigger the stack the wider range of hands when see a 20.00 dollar man at a 2.00 table im very very very happy myself lol is usually easy pickings will play marginal hands at first against me like queen jack or something when have pockets honestly. So love those who stay too long 99% of the time usually wind up winning 5 or more from them before they tighten up to me. Only problem is that only works one time usually haha

So you never play @deepstack?

Landopope said:

As for the strategy I dont know how anyone can say this is a good strategy. If you are a winning poker player then it is more profitable to buy in for the max. Plain and simple.

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This is true IF you have a well established BR on the site or depositing more funds is not an issue. However, when you are dealing with a very small BR and cannot or will not redeposit, sitting at a table with a substantial amount of your bankroll is NOT healthy for your BR.

I think it is fine to minimize your losses if you feel your bankroll is not sufficient for a full buy-in.

Yes you may also minimize your profits but to be blatantly honest 55-95% is only 55-95%. If you don't have many buy-ins then don't expect it to hold up a lot of the time.

If you are comfortable with your bankroll and your stakes and are willing to put in the time then it is a different story.