Rangeless villains, the ones who play every hand

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I am not sure if rangeless is truly the word to describe the folks who will play just about every hand, but I find it extremely difficult to play against these guys.

The reason is that they literally can have any 2 cards and they do not fold so there's no fold equity.

Yes, I know we're supposed to value bet the heck out of these guys and it's easy to take their coins IF your superior hand holds up by the river.

In reality, you will hit air most of the time if you don't at least have a starting pair, or they flop their miracle straight draw and you can't fold your AA because you know he will go to showdown even with two overcards against any aggression.

When you're running bad, and the board is all going the super loose villains' way, is there anything you can do except quit?

Against most players, I can at least put them on a range. These 80%+ VPIP guys I don't know how to read. They are overall money losers, but when they run good and I run bad, I lose everything to them. I cannot push them off a draw, and they are so aggro that I end up stacking off with just an overpair only to find his 10 3 hit two pairs or that he's shoving with a gutshot draw which completes both on the turn and the river.

I check the players that I've lost the most $ to. They are all soundly in the red overall. Very frustrating and helpless feeling.
 
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I feel your pain. Sometimes, it is better to take a break. The trap I think we all fall into with players like this is we know they are bad players. We keep thinking there is no way they could hit again. Yet, sometimes they do. In these situations, I either walk away or I play supper tight. I had same case other night. Villain played every hand. Every hand! No matter what the raise was. I played AK to him and lost 2 bucks with A on flop. I played KK and he low st8ed and I lost 2 bucks. I stayed and played tight ABC poker. I bought back in at the table max $4. Then I got 77. I limped in. 7 flops! I bet low. He called. Everyone else folded. I checked. He bet. I pushed $4 in and he called with bottom pair. I got my $4 back. Two hands later, I took $7 more from him.

The point is, stick to your game. It will pay. You just have to wait for the right hand.
 
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I feel your pain. Sometimes, it is better to take a break. The trap I think we all fall into with players like this is we know they are bad players. We keep thinking there is no way they could hit again. Yet, sometimes they do. In these situations, I either walk away or I play supper tight. I had same case other night. Villain played every hand. Every hand! No matter what the raise was. I played AK to him and lost 2 bucks with A on flop. I played KK and he low st8ed and I lost 2 bucks. I stayed and played tight ABC poker. I bought back in at the table max $4. Then I got 77. I limped in. 7 flops! I bet low. He called. Everyone else folded. I checked. He bet. I pushed $4 in and he called with bottom pair. I got my $4 back. Two hands later, I took $7 more from him.

The point is, stick to your game. It will pay. You just have to wait for the right hand.

Nice advice. Just to add, it's usually multi table players (and by multi I mean 10+ tables at once) and they play every hand because it pays off. I read it somewhere in another forum a while ago. How much of it is true beats me. :confused:
 
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When you're running bad, and the board is all going the super loose villains' way, is there anything you can do except quit?

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I stay at that table as long as possible. It's +EV yes? (Long term)
 
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I check the players that I've lost the most $ to. They are all soundly in the red overall. Very frustrating and helpless feeling.

How is that strange?

I would be VERY worried if a reg was owning me consistently and I was unable to analyze his game and adjust.

As for the fish, if there are 20 big fish I know of, it is inevitable a few will have positive results against me in first few k hands we played. They get into God mode and so it goes.

Long term I would get them all but some of those bust their bankrolls before that can happen :D or I move up, whatever.

There is one guy who at one point at 25NL was +100$ vs me and losing heavily to everybody else (he was actually in small profit overall exclusively due to my contributions. Now he is at +58$ against me and I wouldn't bet on him to stay ahead for long ;) on the other hand I owned one whale for +90$ and another for +80$ so yeah... you gotta look at fish population as a whole.
 
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Players who have anywhere close to 80% vpip is should be source of profit for you. If they're not, the obvious question is how and why they aren't. If your sample size is small and your losses are primarily due to a few instances of getting it in good and being drawn out on, that's one thing.

It may well be a different matter if your sample size is larger. I've certainly seen players who try to hard to exploit maniacs. One thing they do is push modest edges too hard and/or too often.

One example is value betting too big. When you value bet, you want to bet an amount that is likely to be called a reasonable portion of the time by losing hands. Betting larger folds out more of those hands, so that when you are called, it's only by the stronger part of the opponent's range.
 
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+1 to what others have said ,I would only like to add ,if you find these types of players cause you to tilt and not play the way you normally would.Walking away would then be your best bet ,if you can play them without tilting then you should profit from them over the long term......scorp
 
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