Raising preflop not clearing out 'limpers'

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raise pre flop X3 the big blind, limper called with queen 2 suited,won on a pair of twos. i had ace 5 suited. suited connector v suits with high card.
how do you stop them limping with trash hands?
 
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raise pre flop X3 the big blind, limper called with queen 2 suited,won on a pair of twos. i had ace 5 suited. suited connector v suits with high card.
how do you stop them limping with trash hands?

What stakes, what game (cash, SnG - MTT etc).

Make a note he calls 3x w Q2s. That is good that he does that. You will never be able to stop a fish from being a fish. But you dont need to. Iso him and value town him to deth.
 
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What stakes, what game (cash, SnG - MTT etc).

Make a note he calls 3x w Q2s. That is good that he does that. You will never be able to stop a fish from being a fish. But you dont need to. Iso him and value town him to deth.

I like you thinking. thanks for the advice.
so just flat bet the min bet to keep them calling?
sometimes they get scared when you dont raise post flop because they think its not a bluff. I find going all in makes them call if they have a small pair.

But ill try and milk them for there chips.
 
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In the micro tourneys in the early stages raise at least 5 x BB, else you have huge family pots. And thats not good for your Aces :)
I think in the cash games 4 x is the standard (?) but i don´t play cash a lot.
 
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In the micro tourneys in the early stages raise at least 5 x BB, else you have huge family pots. And thats not good for your Aces :)
I think in the cash games 4 x is the standard (?) but i don´t play cash a lot.

i just got another bad beat, had ace 9 of spades was on the button so i raised,
flop was 8h 10 spade 6 spade next card king of spades, i decided to slow play it villian bet, i called, next card was a king, villain bets, i went all in and got beaten by a full house. villain had pocket 10s and the river king gave him the full house.
i keep getting stung on the river.
 
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i just got another bad beat, had ace 9 of spades was on the button so i raised,
flop was 8h 10 spade 6 spade next card king of spades, i decided to slow play it villian bet, i called, next card was a king, villain bets, i went all in and got beaten by a full house. villain had pocket 10s and the river king gave him the full house.
i keep getting stung on the river.

Always, always, always be aware (or BEWARE) - when the board pairs up your nut flush is in danger. The price you pay for slow playing is when the river (or turn) pairs the board you can no longer accelerate the action. Well you can, but really shouldn't. Need to consider that a yellow flag and ease up a bit. I don't know how much of your stack would be left by calling that river bet, but if a call was less than 1/4 to 1/3 of your stack then flatting was probably in order.

As far as the rest of the hand - he was probably not going anywhere so don't feel like there was something you could have done to avoid that hand going to the river. Other hands - yes.
 
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If you talk about tournaments, and it's early in the tournament. I would look at their chips stack, and not three times the blind. Three times the blind early in the tournament the fish will look at almost anything. If you wanna try to knock 'em out. Try a raising about one 5th of their stack. Beware some fish will look at anything no matter what you do.
 
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Putting money in the pot should always be done with a specific goal in mind. If your goal is fold out the limpers, then your raise needs to be big enough to not price them in. A general rule of thumb is to raise whatever your standard open would be + 1bb per limper. So if you normally open at 3x, with 2 limpers in front of you, you'd want to open at least 5x.

When you have a solid hand that beats most all limping ranges, you don't want to go to the flop 5 handed, you want to try and iso the calling stations by betting enough to fold out the tighter players but keep the station in. OTOH if you have a weaker hand with high implied odds like a small pair or suited connector, you want to both risk less and keep more people in the pot, so you bet smaller (or flat) to keep them in and see a flop to get paid off on.

And as far as 3x goes, that's a standard opening size in early tourney stages but generally too high as blinds increase. You typically want to scale down your opens to something like 2.75x, then 2.5x, then 2.25x, then 2.1x, etc. until you're just minraising (or shoving) at the higher levels. Opening 3x and having to fold to a 3bet or shove when stacks are short is just spewy.
 
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On play chips, when I raise pre-flop, everyone stays in.
I never raise pre-flop.
 
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Bad beats are part of the game.
 
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Why are you raising seems to be the question. Are you raising to make people fold or are you raising a strong hand to get one or two callers. If the fish get lucky that's just poker.
 
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You absolutely, positively want loose callers at your table. Keep getting your money in good and you WILL win over time. Just be very careful post flop and when you hit make them pay. Good luck.
 
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On play chips, when I raise pre-flop, everyone stays in.
I never raise pre-flop.

In Learning Poker we are never talking about play money games (or shouldn't be since there is no strategy for winning or a way to learn poker playing them).
 
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Your situation

I still don't know a lot about the situation. How many people were in the hand in front of you? 3x with your hand was textbook, but you only had A5 suited, your basically hoping for a flush or three 5's. Very tough to hit. I question his card selection call out of position, but both of you are gambling and his hand has better than average equity value. If you don't hit on the flop or can't bluff him on the flop, I would think about hitting the eject button and waiting for a better spot.
 
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raise pre flop X3 the big blind, limper called with queen 2 suited,won on a pair of twos. i had ace 5 suited. suited connector v suits with high card.
how do you stop them limping with trash hands?

You could try cussing them out when they call your raise. :D

Seriously, if they're calling 3X raises, and you want to limit the field, raise higher and find a raise that's bigger than their resolve to call. Either that, or consider these calling stations, and value town them with good hands. You don't want to be playing stuff like A5 if they're calling to the river with stuff like a Q2ss that makes Third Button. If they'll call with that, let them do the calling when you have them crushed.
 
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I still don't know a lot about the situation. How many people were in the hand in front of you? 3x with your hand was textbook, but you only had A5 suited, your basically hoping for a flush or three 5's. Very tough to hit. I question his card selection call out of position, but both of you are gambling and his hand has better than average equity value. If you don't hit on the flop or can't bluff him on the flop, I would think about hitting the eject button and waiting for a better spot.

We do know of at least one limper in front, so 3x would not be textbook here. 4x+
 
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