Raise with Queen Jack offsuit, you're on the big or small blind, right or wrong?

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Often when the player in the small or big blind puts in a raise Queen Jack offsuit, if no one else raises. Justified if such action or is it stupid?
 
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Depends what you're trying to achieve with the bet and what you think the other player will do. Defending blinds seems to be in vogue, so this spot may not be as profitable as it may have in the past.
 
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SB and BB are difficult positions because after the flop you are always first to act. So if everyone folds to the blinds, then yes you can possibly raise pre but raising because nobody else has especially with paint cards isn't to profitable.
 
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It is dependant on the other players and how they end up betting, if you're confidant that you can play on and won't fold if someone places a min raise if you miss. Not saying that it can't be recovered, but is it worth risking your chips?
 
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You can make a case to raise any two cards from the blinds, depending on the opponent and your ability to play post flop. If your post flop play is strong and your opponent is weak, then QJ raise is more than justified. If going simply off the strength of the hand itself. Queen with a Jack kicker, or Jack with a Queen kicker will often win at show down if it is top pair.
 
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No, with this hand checking is more profitable in the long run. Some players limp UTG with hands like AK suited or AA even.. I sometimes do this to entice raises so be careful.
 
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i would rather check and see if my card hits anything before i make any decision on how i would play.
 
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I'll advise a min raise because in that situation because the information is worth the raise and if there's anyone with a stronger hand they'll most likely reraise because they won't want too much players in the pot and if anyone calls then continue on the flop with a 1/2 pot sized bet and you'll most likely win the pot if the flop is rainbow and if someone calls you'll know how to continue after seeing the turn!
 
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I'll advise a min raise because in that situation because the information is worth the raise and if there's anyone with a stronger hand they'll most likely reraise because they won't want too much players in the pot and if anyone calls then continue on the flop with a 1/2 pot sized bet and you'll most likely win the pot if the flop is rainbow and if someone calls you'll know how to continue after seeing the turn!


That's why it's proofing so hard to play against you in the FRC games. I do agree. I don't quite like playing softly, although you have enough odds to fool the vilains and you're willing to fold in a flop like 89Q for example.
 
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Yeap if the pot is unopened you can open raise from the SB with that hand and with a wider range than than. In a dry flop you can cbet it and take it down. If you find resistance then reassess the situation based on the turn card.

On the BB , for me , is standard defend. Recently I read that QJs is a nice hand for 3bet because it flops well but we are talking for a deep tournament :)
 
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Often when the player in the small or big blind puts in a raise Queen Jack offsuit, if no one else raises. Justified if such action or is it stupid?

Not sure I understand your question. It's phrased poorly. Do you mean that you are in the SB with QJo, and it's folded around to you? That is, you are opening the betting.

In that case, I would almost always raise. You have a chance of winning the blinds immediately (and that can add up faster than you think). If the BB is in the habit of overdefending his blind, it's STILL a good idea. That means he is calling with a lot of crap hands.
 
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I think a case can certainly be made for when that is a solid play. I would not recommend it as a common play, but situationally it can be the right move.
 
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Often when the player in the small or big blind puts in a raise Queen Jack offsuit, if no one else raises. Justified if such action or is it stupid?


I personally would not raise it only because there is a possible chance your opponent could come over the top therefore making the decision of QJ offsuit being pot committed.
 
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Not sure I understand your question. It's phrased poorly. Do you mean that you are in the SB with QJo, and it's folded around to you? That is, you are opening the betting.

In that case, I would almost always raise. You have a chance of winning the blinds immediately (and that can add up faster than you think). If the BB is in the habit of overdefending his blind, it's STILL a good idea. That means he is calling with a lot of crap hands.


This is exactly right. There would have to be abnormal circumstances for me to NOT raise in this scenario.
 
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This is exactly right. There would have to be abnormal circumstances for me to NOT raise in this scenario.

VERY abnormal. I can't think of a scenario, other than ""BB showed his hand and it was better".

TY for the backup. I'm still learning this game.
 
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If I felt the need to raise with this hand, i would need to move to a higher stakes table.
 
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well this totally deepends at the stage of tournaments/bb but i would check it as "johny tigre" wroted there may be an trap weaitng for u :).
 
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It is situational depends on your image on the table, if it's a 9-ring table if the sb and bb are tight, if the blinds are high and so on... the more you considere higher the chance you have to be proftable with that hand and type of agressive play.
 
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QJo is such a problem hand because you are either going to win a small pot or lose a big pot, since you will be dominated by so many hands in villain's range when a big pot is played
 
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I think you can go either way here but I tend to just limp in as well. Although you are giving some free cards, you are also avoiding a bad beat, plus you dont really know what others have... say you do raise, get called, its hard to say if your oppenent has KJ K10 AJ or Ax or 67 68, they can almost have anything. So when you do hit a pair, you still need to proceed with caution, because your kicker might not me good.

Good Luck!
 
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I try not to raise with hands that can lose me a lot of money. So your queen comes up, you think u got a high enough kicker with the jack? Or, the jack comes up, you think you can beat a flush draw?
 
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