Quick pot odds question???

Original raiser is 14/10, but caller is 24/22.
Question is i figure UTG has me crushed but by the time it gets to me if i should call to see anyway because of the odds involved?

Merge - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $25.25
MP: $44.50
CO: $24.65
BTN: $43.51
Hero (SB): $31.53
BB: $36.20

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 9:diamond: A:diamond:

UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.65, fold

Flop: ($2.50, 3 players) 6:club: A:club: T:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.87, MP raises to $4.99, fold, UTG raises to $16.72, MP raises to $43.75 and is all-in, UTG calls $7.78 and is all-in

Turn: ($51.50, 2 players) 5:club:

River: ($51.50, 2 players) Q:diamond:

UTG shows A:spade: 6:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 27%, Flop 5%, Turn 5%)
MP shows T:club: T:heart: (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 73%, Flop 95%, Turn 95%)
MP wins $48.93

Not my stake level but still...

I either raise or more probably fold this pre.

Definately fold flop though.

UTGs hand usually will be stronger than seen here (Axs) with 14/10 and although the station gives you better pot odds I still find a fold pre.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

200,908,903 games 162.868 secs 1,233,568 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.508% 36.43% 02.07% 73197178 4168564.33 { TT+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AQo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 29.514% 27.05% 02.46% 54352020 4944269.83 { Ad9d }
Hand 2: 31.978% 30.13% 01.84% 60541266 3705959.33 { 66+, A4s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A8o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

Don't think you have odds pre-flop or otf tbh (not sure which bit your asking about).

well im not sure about pot odds but im sure it was about 3 to 1... what would be good odds to make the call oop... grafkarow i agree 100 percent we dont see UTG show up that weak most of the time. the fold with all the action post flop is a no brainer fold. my question was is my call pre spewy or an ok call most of the time

rodgbaby said:

well im not sure about pot odds but im sure it was about 3 to 1... what would be good odds to make the call oop... grafkarow i agree 100 percent we dont see UTG show up that weak most of the time. the fold with all the action post flop is a no brainer fold. my question was is my call pre spewy or an ok call most of the time

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Pre is def spewy, UTG raisers range will have you crushed alot of the time and even when you do catch you'll be playong OOP, pretty much only thing going for you is suited hand that can make the nuts, which isn't enough to justify calling.

You dont want to complete from the SB with most hands. With a raiser and a caller, you can squeeze here, but only if you think you are getting folds often enough from the players and the VPIP/PFR stats wont tell you that.

Since completing from the SB will mean c/f many missed flops, and donking will mean a lot of b/f or b/c which is ultra spewy,, you are gonna lose money in the long run. If you think you have a good % FE then by all means squeeze. But still be ready to get away post.

Your pot odds are not what you want to base your action on here. Its your read on your opponents and if you can exploit them in some way given the action till now....

Pot odds are only one factor, and they should be considered alongside the cards odds. In this case, 0.65 to call when the pot holds 1.85 is almost 3:1, but what are the card odds that you'll flop a hand that you'll want to continue with OOP vs two opponents, one of whom is quite tight? Is it reasonable to think you'll get a favorable flop one time in four?

You do have implied odds if you happen to smash the flop, but there's no guarantee you'll get paid off. Indeed, a lot of the big hands you can make are nut flushes, which are less likely for opponents to pay off, at least not the max.

Alright guys thanks for all the help. From what I gather 3bet hands like this when im OOP vs high vpip high pfr guys. Also make sure i have a solid plan post flop other than just C/F.