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Ganwar

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U have 77
And on the table
JJJ79
What u will do ?
 
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Your position? Tournament or cash? How many opponents in this situation? The size of the stack?
Not enough information in the post) It's hard to answer like this
 
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When you want help with a hand you need to provide a lot more information than that. :)

Tournament or cash game? Blind level, stack sizes, position on the table, action in front of you, any information you have on your opponent, etc.
 
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Only one player remaining
Opponent is cheking
It's is a tournament

I have done all in
And I lose the tournament as opponent have 9
 
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The enemy made a check, so he has a combination. On the table JJJ79, which means that your full house is not a winning hand in this situation, since the opponent may have a jack on his hand or pocket pair 9 and you will remain in the game, in this situation I would make a small bet to Check the opponent if he raises then folds. The board is bad for you, I would fold before the river. But this is my opinion)
 
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Realistically, I never put another chip into this pot with that hand. Shoving is just a horrible decision, you're never getting called by a hand you beat and you have some showdown value (you could win when you check behind).
 
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Everything looks like a trap, and your decision is simple - to make a pass.
 
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i can not fold full nevet

There's no need to fold, because the only remaining opponent checks. The OP should just check behind here. But, if his opponent had bet, he should be folding this.

This is a good hand for talking about the difference between absolute hand strength and relative hand strength. Full houses are absolutely strong hands. They rank very highly, and you will win a lot of money with them. But, on this board J-J-J-7-9, when you hold 7-7, every hand that wants to put money into the pot is bigger than yours. Think about what beats you.

  • You lose to: 8-8, 9-x, 10-10, J-x, Q-Q, K-K, and A-A.
  • You tie with: 7-x (which is even more unlikely because you hold two 7s).
  • You beat: 6-6, 5-5, 4-4, 3-3, and 2-2 and all unpaired bluffs (but those hands usually don't put money in here)

The only hands that put more money in are full houses that beat J-J-J-7-7 or quads. Well, I suppose there could have been a possible straight flush out there too (OP didn't post suits) and you would lose to that also. In this situation, your hand lacks relative strength because the hands you are up against (when money goes in) are much stronger than your hand.

Betting, after being checked to, is an even worse spot than facing a bet. When you face a bet, there is a small possibility that your opponent is turning an unpaired hand or small pair into a bluff. It's probably still a fold against most players unless you have a history. But, when they check and you shove, you are never getting called by the hands they would be bluffing with. You are just driving yourself to value-town for them.

Edit: a 25% range has 75 combos of 8-8, 9-x, 10-10, J-x, Q-Q, K-K, and A-A, 2 combos of 7-x, and 18 combos of small pairs with 90 combos of A-x hands. But, weighted for how often each of these groups put money in, you are probably 95%+ going to be running into those combos that beat you.

Edit 2: For us to profitably call a pot-sized river bet with 7-7 on a board of J-J-J-7-9, we need to be sure our opponent is betting a range of {AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, 7-x, 9-x, and all pairs 22 through AA} or wider. If he's shoving all boats or better {22 through AA, J-x, 7-x, and 9-x} we are going to lose too often to call a pot sized bet.
 
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In this situation if the opponent checks, you can check quietly. But it is also a good move betar 25-30% of the pot, to show your mother's strength, telling your opponent that you want to call
 
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In this situation if the opponent checks, you can check quietly. But it is also a good move betar 25-30% of the pot, to show your mother's strength, telling your opponent that you want to call

This bet has no expected value, or even a negative expected value. Can you see why?

Look at your odds against a fairly loose caller playing 25% of their hands. In this case, a 25% pot bet is break-even, and a 30% bet is losing because you lose more the times you are beat than you recoup when you are ahead. To be honest, I think it is a bit optimistic to assume hands like 4-4 call on this board because it is so easy for them to be beat; but, we can leave them in for those people who will never fold a full house. If they are folding, even the smallest part of this bet sizing is losing us money and none of it is break-even.
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Look at your odds against a tighter caller playing 15% of their hands. This is more likely and you are crushed by this calling range (assuming you don't get raised). When you bet 25%-30% here and get called, you are losing money.
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You could try and make a case that the small bet would keep the straight in, but 10-8 is such a small part of their range (0 combos in a 15% range and 4 combos in a 25% range) that it just isn't out there often enough to save your equity. Besides that, it would be incredibly tough for even bad players to call with a straight when there are trips on the board. It is just too obvious that full houses are possible.

No, the correct play here is to check back. There's no case for betting, not even small.
 
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To give an objective opinion requires more information as in which position you are, what is your stack of chips, how many villains are involved in the hand, what kind of tournament you play, or if you are at a cash table ... however Without knowing the details mentioned above .... I would make a continuation bet to see what the villains involved ...!
 
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I would check, because if you bet and he is beat he will fold. If he is winning he is re-raising. Either way you have won/lost the maximum for the hand
 
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If you bet, you got to look like you have the last Jack.
 
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without more info, try to get max value, which will depend on the villan and the situation...some villans you will want to bet small so they raise big and some villans will call a huge overbet
 
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