Question for the Cash game players

I have a question about implied odds, say you have a small pp, an opponent raises and you are both pretty deep.
YOU: 1800
OPPONENT: 2000

The pot is offering you 2 to 1, do you call or fold ?

What is an approximate calculation on how big the pot is going to get ?

It's going to depend so much on the other player, and how much money I think I can get when I hit my set, and how often I can take the pot away from him when I don't hit my set.

1800 and 2000 at what blinds? Anyway, you'd have to be awfully short not to have set odds to call a potsized (or less) raise preflop...and then you'd probably be getting allin.

You might not get your 8 to 1 from your opponent when you hit, but then not all raises are going to be bigger pairs...so can depend on how well you play postflop if the pot is liable to stay smallish either way.

Let's say blinds at 10/20, and your opponent raises to 80 after you called,
so you have to pay 60 to win 130.

1. that's only like 100 BBs, not deep by many definitions.

2. I would never have limped in the first place

3. oop I would definitely fold in that spot, while IP I would probably call

Pot Odds
Implied Odds

What does it matter.

Are you going to make your decision purely based on Odds?

In my Opinion:
Statistics and Probability are such a small factor in proper decision making.
Of course many will disagree with me.

Poker decisions should be based on every bit of information you can possibly gather from a situation.
All things weighted.
At that point a Final Conclusion and a Committed Decision is made.

Just my opinion of course.

Roller:
A good player will recognize your style of play and size there bets accordingly.

Roller said:

Pot Odds
Implied Odds

What does it matter.

Are you going to make your decision purely based on Odds?

In my Opinion:
Statistics and Probability are such a small factor in proper decision making.
Of course many will disagree with me.

Poker decisions should be based on every bit of information you can possibly gather from a situation.

All things weighted.
At that point a Final Conclusion and a Committed Decision is made.

Just my opinion of course.

Roller:
A good player will recognize your style of play and size there bets accordingly.

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umm, implied odds take into account all that stuff. pot odds is obviously direct odds and we have to also consider our range and the range of our opponent. No one is really ignoring that here are they? In fact implied odds are based exactly on what kind of hands our opponent is playing and how they will play them postflop. I also mentioned taking away the hand postflop. If you're going to post in a thread like this could you at least post an answer to the OP rather than criticizing people with vague comments like "there's more to it than odds" and not expanding? Normally I figure this is the learning poker section, and there's certainly nothing wrong with giving an incorrect answer as long as you are thinking about the post and are open to criticism. But to basically criticize another post with some vague phrases instead of actually thinking about what they're trying to say is just counter-productive.

TY for the replies, I found an interesting article on this matter,

http://betting.betfair.com/poker/annette_15/news/set-mining-early-stage-jj-091108.html

zachvac said:

1. that's only like 100 BBs, not deep by many definitions.

2. I would never have limped in the first place

3. oop I would definitely fold in that spot, while IP I would probably call

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that says it all for me ,too many variables to answer a question like that properly but that quote is about as good as it gets imo.

Well what you do now is look at the implied odds. You know that if you
catch the hand you are looking for, that you will win a certain amount of
money hense forth, so you estimate the amount of money you think you
will obtain, which in many cases could even turn out to be an allin, and
multiply that by the percentage of you hitting the card you need to do
all that. Then you multiply the percentage of you not hitting by the amount
you have to play to get in the pot. Then you also take into account the
amount of money already in the pot, so you see which is more in your
favor. An example of this would be someone calling an inside straight
to another person who he knows probably has a monster. The guy on
the other side would have never guessed the other dude called looking for
an inside, so he thinks he has the other guy beat, but if the dude catches
there can be a big pot on their hands .

i mean if your to too won you have to ask yourself do you wanna want did you sit down planning to do, win big and take risk which i would call if thats the cash. or do you wanna play yourmonsters only and win a couple hands but know your going to win, if thats the cash then i would fold this hand. its up to you and if you feel like gambling or not because the odds are in your favor.

This is supposed to be free market capitalism. If you fail, you lose. Nobody would ever stake a losing poker player. Why the hell should we be forced to stake losing businesses.


I love it!!! Very true.