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Question about pot odds?
Okay , so I know pot odds and how to calculate them.
So, before the flop, what odds do you need to call? when you're UTG you don't exactly have great odds to call so I know you need a pretty good hand, and to play UTG optimally you need a premium/monster hand anyway. So, what hands would you need to call say, 3:1 compared to maybe 5/6:1. POST FLOP: Once you've seen the flop, and you calculate your outs, using the rule of 2 and 4 , do the pot odds need to work together with your outs in order for your play to be mathematically correct? For example, if you're getting a %20 to hit your outs on the turn, do the pot odds need to be 5:1 for you to play? I apologise if this is a newbish question but I have always wondered. 
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@ HooDooKoo: When someone has no idea and thinks they do, BUT are also posting in the learning poker thread, a certain amount of civility could be achieved with very little effort.
"Look in google" is not an effort. This IS the learning poker section, and you usually have very helpful advice. Instructing someone to go somewhere else for info is not a great answer, and I kind of agree with OP that no answer might have been better. OR you could voice your opinion on his opinion of himself, and follow that up with the usual quality info you can give. The name calling from both sides could also be left for other forums. Civility is simply a better option IMO. Here is a place to start: http://www.cardschat.com/pokerodds...pliedodds.php 
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Thankyou, that link answered my question within the first 2 paragraphs! My assumptions were correct, I just have a very horrible way of putting it into words. 
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The first bet is the BB, so if you limp UTG you basically call that first bet. If it comes to odds and outs, well, the number of outs you have compared to the odds given define if it's profitable to call (not talking about implied odds yet). 
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So, say I have a %20 to hit my outs on the flop, would I need 51 pot odds to mathematically make call and be in profit over x number of hands? is that how it works? 
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If you win the hand you'll profit 4x your calling amount.....right ? Well if you have 20 % to hit your outs you'll win 1 outof 5 times and so obv lose 4 outof 5 times.....sounds clear? So, one time you win the hand and make a profit of 4xCalling amount which is $8. 4 Times you'll lose the calling amount which totals $8. Suppose there's a raise of $2 on the flop which makes the pot $10. Calling there for $2 gives you 51 odds...invest $2 to get a $10 profit. If you have 20% to hit your outs it means you'll win 1 outof 5 hands. Which means 1 hand you'll profit $10, the other 4 hands you'll lose $2 each, which is $8 total, which will bring you a profit of $2 over these 5 hands. Now suppose you're still gonna hit your outs 20% of time. Though, now there's a flopbet of $2 making the pot $8. In this case you have to call $ 2 to profit $8. Your pot odds are 41. Still, 1 outof 5 hands you'll hit your outs and get your profit, which is $8. The other 4 hands you'll lose, which totals for 4 x $2 = $8. Here we are BE, although only theoratically because rake will cost you. Important....here I'm just talking about flops, without going into implied or reversed odds.... 
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Oh, so I would only need 4:1 because I would win 1 in 5, so the 4:1 call is to counter the loss of the other 4 times? Is this correct? Also, "Counter" is probably the wrong word to use, but I hope you can understand where I'm getting at. 
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Wise question.
Preflop: If we only know the opponent/s hand/s and we are last to act, then we can select which hand we can call base on pot odds at that point. But that is not the case. Postflop: Yes, card odds and pot odds must be considered both to make our call mathematically correct (not to mention another oddsimplied odds). 
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In reality, pot odds won't be involved with a UTG preflop decision. The really don't apply for any 'first to act' decision, with the exception of a BvB decision.

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Also they then divide 100/4 and think its 25%. 4 to 1 odds is the same as 1 in 5 probability so divide 100/5 for 20% Clear example is when the odds are evens which is 1 to 1 (proability is 1 in 2) so you actually divide 100 by 2 for 50% in the chart below to convert Odds to probabilities and then to percentages 4 to 1  count events(4+1) = 5 and then the probability is the right hand number 1 so 1 in 5. 1/5 = 0.2 or 20% 6 to 4  count events(6+4) = 10 and then the probability is the right hand number 4 so 4 in 10. 4/10 = 0.4 or 40% 
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