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Hello Guys..

I just want to ask your opinion on the number of tables you play online? Would you prefer few tables (1-4) or mutiple tables (5 above) and why?

Is it applicable to cash games only or for tourney as well? Thanks in advance.
 
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I can't stay focused on more than 4 tables in the same time because when I'm in a tourney/cash game I have to study my opponents and take notes, so I use to play 1-4 tables simultaneously.
It is applicable to both: cash games and tournaments.
 
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I personally find it tough to concentrate on more than one table at a time. So rather than going for quantity or volume i'd rather stick to quality or what suits me best - dats playing just one table at a time.

Whereas many others can manage mutiple table comfortably without having to play bad or have any concentration issues. So it is different for different personalities. :p
 
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I can play two tables at the same time, i've tried playing 3 or 4 tables but can't concentrate.
 
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I play limit holdem cash games where the play is pretty much mechanical. Therefore I will play 24 tables when there's that many available. Hopefully when the US finally come back to pokerstars that'll be most of the time. I do however agree about MTT's and SNG's in that it does make it harder to concentrate. As long as your strategy is solid then, at limit at least, then it shouldn't matter how many tables you play. It did take me quite a while though gradually adding a table at a time until I was comfortable with the amount of tables I was playing.
 
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floweryhead said:
I play limit holdem cash games where the play is pretty much mechanical. Therefore I will play 24 tables when there's that many available. Hopefully when the US finally come back to pokerstars that'll be most of the time. I do however agree about MTT's and SNG's in that it does make it harder to concentrate. As long as your strategy is solid then, at limit at least, then it shouldn't matter how many tables you play. It did take me quite a while though gradually adding a table at a time until I was comfortable with the amount of tables I was playing.
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Thanks for the input. Do you use poker tool? I just want to know if its needed if you are playing too many tables.
 
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24 tables amazes me .That would be interesting to watch.Dont think i could do that even if i was playing go fish. lol
 
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It's a personal preference, like i dont think 24 tables is that good since you miss alot of value and reads, so u cant make that big money like you can when you have the time to get reads, patterns and behaviours, i think.
But you got programs that makes you see patterns etc.
 
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I play 1 - 4 tables and suits my style.
 
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don't know what's you plan.

if you are trying to max you EV.
it depends on a concept called marginal profit.

like by playing 1 table, your EV is 20bb/100 hands
playing 4 tables, your EV is 12bb/100 hands
playing 5 tables, your EV is 10bb/100 hands
playing 6 tables, your EV is 8bb/100 hands

by sum up all the possible plan
playing 1 table, EV 20bb/100
playing 4 table, EV 12*4/100=48/100
playing 5 table, EV 10*5/100=50/100
playing 6 table, EV 6*8/100=48/100

see throught the above, it makes clearly that
when adding one more table from 4 to 5
it cost nearly Zero, add Zero cost, but potentially adding 2big blinds per 100 hands, it is marginal adding profit.
but when adding one more, when playing 6 tables, you may see that , adding zero cost, you lost marginal 2bb/100

therefore, in this case, playing 5 table is called marginal profit.

and by looking into the examply, think play exact for max EV profit is always right, but you need to know where is your margin. GL
 
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XXPXXP said:
don't know what's you plan.

if you are trying to max you EV.
it depends on a concept called marginal profit.

like by playing 1 table, your EV is 20bb/100 hands
playing 4 tables, your EV is 12bb/100 hands
playing 5 tables, your EV is 10bb/100 hands
playing 6 tables, your EV is 8bb/100 hands

by sum up all the possible plan
playing 1 table, EV 20bb/100
playing 4 table, EV 12*4/100=48/100
playing 5 table, EV 10*5/100=50/100
playing 6 table, EV 6*8/100=48/100

see throught the above, it makes clearly that
when adding one more table from 4 to 5
it cost nearly Zero, add Zero cost, but potentially adding 2big blinds per 100 hands, it is marginal adding profit.
but when adding one more, when playing 6 tables, you may see that , adding zero cost, you lost marginal 2bb/100

therefore, in this case, playing 5 table is called marginal profit.

and by looking into the examply, think play exact for max EV profit is always right, but you need to know where is your margin. GL
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Hey thank you very much. So this is the reason why they are doing it with too many tables. My concern is that your moves will be much like robotic but I assume this is okay in micro stakes cash games. Can we say that the when you are moving up in stakes you should lower your number of tables? Pretty much insync with the theory above i guess.
 
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I think the objective is to have quality and quantity. If you play around 10k games you will know if you are a winner player. But to play a lot of tables without quality is not good for sure
 
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deluns28 said:
Hey thank you very much. So this is the reason why they are doing it with too many tables. My concern is that your moves will be much like robotic but I assume this is okay in micro stakes cash games. Can we say that the when you are moving up in stakes you should lower your number of tables? Pretty much insync with the theory above i guess.
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it is all potential expected profit, regardless of playstyle.
if you are playing even rock style to reach that results...
meaning by achieving the max marginal value.

it is OK to play even 100 tables same time.:D
 
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I like to play multiple tables up to 4 when it comes to MTT's
However it requires a lot of brain power and much studying of each and every player.
I advise not worrying about the money too much and always making the right decision.
It's easier to multi table cash games because play is pretty much str forward at times.
In an MTT I personally believe it is much more difficult because a lot of players will call off with a lot of weak hands and getting lucky.
 
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In terms of profit i'd go for quantity especially @ lower stakes. As you move up though the quality becomes way more important. A nice balance between the two = Success! I feel I achieve that balance 6 tabling zoom @ 2NL.
 
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I play on two tables at the same time, it`s not so boring when you waiting for some action.
 
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deluns28 said:
Thanks for the input. Do you use poker tool? I just want to know if its needed if you are playing too many tables.
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I use HEM 2 and Notecaddy with Caddy report. I also have all my notecaddy notes synced with Pokerstars (for when I'm on my laptop which won't run HEM2). So if I get into any sticky situations there's always something there I can use to try and work out what to do.
 
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I forgot to mention pokerstars colour coding. When I first discovered it I was changing them all manually depending on my opponents stats but I've since discovered that Notecaddy does this all automatically for you after a bit of faffing around telling it what a LAG or TAG etc... .is. This helps if you've got to make a lot of deciscions quickly... If I see light blue I know I have a maniac, dark blue a lag... etc....
 
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floweryhead said:
I forgot to mention pokerstars colour coding. When I first discovered it I was changing them all manually depending on my opponents stats but I've since discovered that Notecaddy does this all automatically for you after a bit of faffing around telling it what a LAG or TAG etc... .is. This helps if you've got to make a lot of deciscions quickly... If I see light blue I know I have a maniac, dark blue a lag... etc....
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Wow that is great. I'll check them out and see if there's a trial version. Thanks again :)
 
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2 is my max. Focusing and memorizing your reads on players habits is important for me... I have trouble doing that on more than 2 tables.
 
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It's so hard for me to concentrate on more than 2 cash tables in the same time ( i play fixed limit ) , and i will make much more mistakes, but in a tournament play, i can go up to 4 , cause i will be able to watch and take some notes , my VpIP is around 20/25% so i will be playing an average of one hand on 4 and on 4 tables ...
 
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