QQ laydown Hand advice?

archangelzx

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Was i right to call or should i of reraised pre?


Seat 1: emmieNpolo - $3.30
Seat 2: johnbyrom1973 - $20.28
Seat 3: redhearted - $7.18
Seat 4: Rawforwar - $10.08
Seat 5: kubdobmor - $19.14
Seat 6: mel785 - $13.44
Seat 7: Jason360 - $0 (away from table)
Seat 9: archangelzx - $18.06
Seat 10: johnzad - $0 (away from table)
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 6
archangelzx posts small blind ($0.05)
emmieNpolo posts big blind ($0.10)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Q s][Q h] to archangelzx
johnbyrom1973 folds
Jason360 rebuys $3
redhearted raises to $0.25
Rawforwar folds
kubdobmor folds
mel785 folds
Jason360: that was horrific.
emmieNpolo says sick! to mel785.
archangelzx calls $0.25
emmieNpolo folds
Pot sizes: $0.60
Dealing Flop [8 d][6 h][5 c]
archangelzx checks
redhearted bets $0.30
archangelzx raises to $1.10
redhearted calls $1.10
Pot sizes: $2.80
Dealing Turn [6 d]
archangelzx bets $1.40
redhearted calls $1.40
Pot sizes: $5.60
Dealing River [7 h]
archangelzx checks
redhearted bets $4.43 (all-in)
archangelzx folds and shows [Q s][Q h]
Pot sizes: $5.60
Taking Rake of $0.56 from pot 1
redhearted doesn't show
redhearted wins $5.04
Seat 1: emmieNpolo - $3.20
Seat 2: johnbyrom1973 - $20.28
Seat 3: redhearted - $9.47
Seat 4: Rawforwar - $10.08
Seat 5: kubdobmor - $19.14
Seat 6: mel785 - $13.44
Seat 7: Jason360 - $3
Seat 9: archangelzx - $15.31
Seat 10: johnzad - $0
End of Hand #2056421185
 
JusSumguy

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I agree... Where was the PF raise?

That straight draw prolly wouldn't have been there.

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Yeah I initially thought to raise it, but I decided not to, I always have trouble with QQ.
 
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Yeah I initially thought to raise it, but I decided not to, I always have trouble with QQ.

Try to get as much money in when you think you are favourite. Dont let previous results with QQ affect how you play the hand, I think calling with QQ OOP causes more problems for yourself that raising would.
 
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Don't flat QQ OOP (rarely IP). Here I make it ~.90 to $1 preflop.

Don't ever show your hand without SD.

I see, thanks for your insight dude. Guess I'll have to learn to play it similiar to KK.
 
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re-raise for sure. If you're not going to with QQ, what is your range to do so?

I don't know about folding at the end either. You have to call 4.43 with 5.60 already in the pot, so the pot odds are better than 2:1, which means you profit if you win one time in three. You'd be better placed to gauge if your overpair is enough to do so if you had re-raised pre-.

And why show? To prove to him that he can push you around? He's more likely to think that than to respect you for being able to read him and make a laydown, especially if he doesn't have you beat, like with JJ. And even if he does suddenly respect you, how are you going to take advantage of it?
 
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re-raise for sure. If you're not going to with QQ, what is your range to do so?

I don't know about folding at the end either. You have to call 4.43 with 5.60 already in the pot, so the pot odds are better than 2:1, which means you profit if you win one time in three. You'd be better placed to gauge if your overpair is enough to do so if you had re-raised pre-.

And why show? To prove to him that he can push you around? He's more likely to think that than to respect you for being able to read him and make a laydown, especially if he doesn't have you beat, like with JJ. And even if he does suddenly respect you, how are you going to take advantage of it?


My reraise range preflop is generally AA/KK, because they are stronger but I will widen it depending on the player. QQ has always been tricky for me as with JJ.

I folded because I pretty much knew I was beat, and didnt want to lose more money, just been on a 3 buyin downswing earlier.
 
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My reraise range preflop is pretty much AA/KK, I feel safe with those cards, easy to play postflop. QQ has always been tricky for me as with JJ.

I folded because I pretty much knew I was beat, and didnt want to lose more money, just been on a 3 buyin downswing earlier.

You should re-raise more cards PF that just AA/KK that makes you very easy to play against. If I play against you and you raise PF I know what you have. Also do not let past results affect future plays, that is tilt
 
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Kind of reminds me of when people say they have problems playing JJ as an answer to why they shoved ai pre-flop with them.

I re-raise preflop. And, I'm not so sure about your check fold on river. To be honest you both weren't really playing your hands for what they were.

If you re-raised pre, your check raise post flop has more power. But, had I re-raised pre I'm not checking post flop.

But, let's say I did just call pre flop, I think I would just check call the flop. And then check the turn and possibly steal attempt on turn or river depending on his bet size.

To be honest, my guess is that he had two overs, possibly suited, and when you checked, he saw an opportunity to take the pot.

there's a lot that goes into this hand by what had been going on prior to this hand.

What just happened in the previous hand?
How long has the villain been at the table?
What did he buy in for?
How have you been playing?
How has he been playing?

But, with the way you played this hand, I see no way that you can for sure pit him on a range without a pre-flop raise!
 
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Don't ever show your cards if you don't have to. No reason to give other players a reason to push you off of more hands in the future.

And when you do call them later because you think they think they can push you around... Now you are over thinking because you showed.
 
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