QQ with A on the turn?

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Hi everyone. NLHE 6 Max ZOOM cash game on pokerstars.
I was on the small blind with QQ. I raised 4BB's and the big blind called. Flop was great, all under cards, no straight or flush draws. I bet 3/4 pot and opponent called. Turn was A so I checked. Opponent bet so I folded.
Was this a bad play? Should I have bet again on the turn or was check/folding the right thing to do?
 
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you should Bet again...by checking on the A turn you just said to the vilain that you ain't got A so he took the pot without having an A...probably he had some suited connectors or a pocket pair...it is also possible for him to have an Ax but i don't think so.
Your play was far too nit.
 
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Yeah, since you are out of position it's good to bet again, a little smaller, around 50-60% the pot. You have the initiative already by raising pre and cbetting flop, so your opponent can really believe you have the ace. If he calls I would check-fold most rivers, since he is more likely to bluff on the turn than on the river, when he has already called both your bets.

If you would have been in position and your opponent checks to you on the turn, you can check back to control the size of the pot, and then decide to call the river if your opponent bet, depending on if he is a player who likes to bluff the river, or just fold if he is a tight and more passive player.
 
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I agree with the reading of the game of the friends who commented previously.

It is not a good option to totally turn off the turn.

Something similar happened to me but the river came to reward the bluff of the villain, in this I lost a beautiful pot in the zoom 0,5 / 0,10 6 max
 
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Anyone calling your pre flop raise usually is weak and has a-9 off or whatever it was a fine fold,you could however call him down just to keep him honest.
 
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I think when you get the perfect flop you just all in instead of getting a card higher than Q , either way the opponent will fold unless he has a higher pair than the ones on the table which is good for you because you got a pretty high pair on your hand !
 
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I think its a bad fold. I think this was a check/call.
Imagine your opponent has an ace, betting into him would be almost the same as letting him bet.
But lots of the times he won't have an ace, so if you bet he will likely fold, but if you check to him, you can induce some bluffs.
Of course this depends on how aggro is your opponent, but betting here makes no sense to me (uness he is a calling station) because we will make him fold all the hands we beat, and will only continue hands that beat us. On the other hands, if you check to him you allow him to bluff. If he bets, he can very well have the ace but he will likely bluff a lot too. But it still depends on the game type of the villian
 
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Its a bad fold on the turn. I think on the river, you have a decision to make but the turn should be a standard call.
 
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Cbet turn.. especially more so if draws onboard.. we dont want to give freecards and better hands may fold
 
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I wouldn't have folded that hand. I would at the very least called if you knew you had something to work with after betting.
 
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I think also his gameplay during the game on that table is important iff he played loose during the game a call was in place here
 
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Folding at the exit of 1 overpair is wrong. I played the turn call, and I would have put 1/4 of the pot on the river and if opponent reise i played fold
 
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This is an obvious example of the game "in the players' with position .. game with any two cards, A is irrelevant card here. You had to bet this turn m8.
 
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Really annoying scenario. You did the right thing betting on the flop. I'm wondering whether your opponent also had a pocket pair by the pattern of their play. However you needed a follow through bet on the turn. If he also had a pocket pair he could have just sensed your weakness and stolen the pot (after also fearing the ace). It would have been worth around 50% bet on the turn in my opinion.
 
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First of all no information on the stakes you play.

Why just 4BB pre? What stakes? On micro stakes, this is nothing.

Assuming this is atleast 50NL:
I would have raised ~2x the pot on flop and if he raised you, its a fold - prob to a set.
If he calls you, bet .75x the pot and fold to a raise. Continue the same .75x the pot on river too if river is a brick as well.
 
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Hi everyone. NLHE 6 Max ZOOM cash game on PokerStars.
I was on the small blind with QQ. I raised 4BB's and the big blind called. Flop was great, all under cards, no straight or flush draws. I bet 3/4 pot and opponent called. Turn was A so I checked. Opponent bet so I folded.
Was this a bad play? Should I have bet again on the turn or was check/folding the right thing to do?

Yes, a bad play. That's what fish do: run nut-scared and see monsters under the bed all the time. Just because an ace dropped doesn't mean the vill has one. He'll have an ace less than half the time, and you want to fire that second barrel into that ace. If he doesn't have one, you keep him guessing. Even if he does have one, it's not necessarily with a good side card, and he may still lay it down before the end. If he has a good ace, he'll let you know soon enough.

Never burn your bridges before you cross them. Don't worry about the MUB: chances are they aren't there.
 
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Hi everyone. NLHE 6 Max ZOOM cash game on PokerStars.
I was on the small blind with QQ. I raised 4BB's and the big blind called. Flop was great, all under cards, no straight or flush draws. I bet 3/4 pot and opponent called. Turn was A so I checked. Opponent bet so I folded.
Was this a bad play? Should I have bet again on the turn or was check/folding the right thing to do?
Bad Fold. You have a few more ax hands in your range than he does. You should have barrelled the turn. Ask yourself if you would ever check when you have ak, probably not because you can get value from hands like aq and aj, maybe even kk and qq. Also, dont get me wrong, there are arguments for check calling but check/folding is too nitty as previously mentioned.
 
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i probably would have check/raised in this spot
 
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Check folding in that spot is bad and exploitable. Betting again is a good option but I like check/calling and maybe leading a favorable River. Chances are your opponent flopped a middling hand and when you showed weakness took advantage. Just noticed bradfordzilla's post above mine and it's something I didn't think about check/raising. I quite like that idea and then over bet the river if called. It could work 2 ways you could get weak A's to fold river and also level your opponent into calling with a flopped top pair. I do like merge bets.
 
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I would do the same thing. He sure had something strong when he followed your raise. Maybe he had 22 and 2 was in flop. You didn't considered 2 as a threat, but he would kill you with three of a kind. You did right
 
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Too big raise on the flop, there should be continued bet on the turn, despite the fact that turn opened Ace. You tried to forse him to fold on the flop, those attempt was failed, and after Ace on the river and your passivity, he easily took the pot, most likely not having a solid card on his hands.
 
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