puzzled over this thought process...

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im gonna throw some scenarios out that i ovserved lately at some live tourneys and see if u guys can offer up some feedback on this that will, lets say, lift this fog that im in about the thought processes of other players..:eek:

imma get the blinds and structure as close as possible, any questions throw em out and i will edit...

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weekly rebuy/addon trny at the local VFW..most of us guys know each other, some newer players playing as the game is growin from 12-15 to 24-27 and getting bigger...you get 1 rebuy in the first 3 blind levels 25/50, 50/100, 75/150, 20 min each, if u go out last hand of rebuy period, u can rebuy and addon even if u have rebought in that period...so you can have up to 4 buys ($120) in the trny..sweetens the pot a little:D

starting stacks 3k, 26 players, 7 or so rebuys and most everyone will addon at break, (cept me, i NEVER rebuy or addon)..1st and 2 2nds last 5 weeks) payout might look something like 1st 500, 2nd 300, 3rd 200 4th 120


so this is the last hand of rebuy, im in BB for 150, stack about 2800, UTG raises to 800 (stack of about 3200), SB maniac moves in for 4k. i tank and eventually fold as i am not rebuying (;))...UTG tanks. and eventually folds, showing 99...i have my cards away from muck and turn over the 1010, and maniac shows A3..oh well, this just set up for the thinking...

1 orbit later, after break and addons, i look down to AJsoot, 2500 stack, 2 limpers, so i autoshove :)confused:)..BB snap calls (stack 3100) , (this is UTG raiser who folded 99 right b4 break). 2 folds and we are running the flop 1010 vs AJ and i whiff and im shaking hands..hasta la vista baby:)

here is what puzzles me...why do you make a call for ur trny life, getting 1.5 : 1 odss, with 1010 which if u lose it leaves u with 600, and you dont make the call with 99 in the hand before the rebuys end? when u can auto rebuy and addon...

am i way overthinking this, or is there no thinking by other players? any constructive or destructive criticism is welcome...;)

ill throw the other scenario out later...tired of typing:p
 
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Most likely reason for the play by Villain is he's still thinking about big mistake he made laying down 99. He's determined not to fold his medium pair to Ace high shove again.
 
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Snap call with the ten's.

Don't play a rebuy-addon if your not going to rebuy or addon.
 
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I agree with tenbob. In rebuys, it is best to be willing to rebuy/add on. I think your opponent wanted to show that he was not going to be pushed around throughout the tourney.
 
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Most live opponents have what can only be described as a high "WTF" factor. Their logic lines are so misguided at times, it's amazing. Good example was a night at $200nl live, running completely card dead. Finally pick up KK in the sb. After a few limps button raises, I 3bet, button calls, and stacks off on the flop. He sees my hand and says, "Oh man, I had to call though, you've been folding so long."

Say that to an internet player and his head will explode. But to this guy, that made perfect sense. I folded for so long, I had to be bored and ready to just play whatever whenever cuz I wouldn't want to keep folding.

Sometimes trying to figure out how they think is very very difficult.
 
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People don't always act in ways that are obvious. Sometimes, we all base decisions on our own personal "logic". Or we just don't really think at all. And in poker, we can always say we read weakness whether we actually saw / felt anything or not.

And I'll join those who suggest not playing rebuys if you're unwilling to rebuy. I don't believe you have to rebuy no matter what, but if you feel the situation is +EV relative to the rebuy cost, then not rebuying leaves money on the table.
 
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Snap call with the ten's.

Don't play a rebuy-addon if your not going to rebuy or addon.

please elaborate a little more tb...

why not snap call with 99 right before the rebuy ends..if you lose the coinflip you can buy back up to 6k in chips...

1010 is just as vulnerable as the 99..and u lose that coinflip or 80/20 and ur down to 600..i mean if he wouldve THOUGHT about it for even a few seconds...but he almost beat me into the pot...

and i dont plan on rebuying or adding on..and it doesnt bother me to play in it without doing such, or that the other guys do so, and that wasnt open for criticism...:p i usually have enuff chips at the end of rebuy that i dont need to do so...

and im not as concerned about him making that call...ill take a CF or even 4 to 1 shortstacked and card dead at that point...as i am about his thinking on the 99 hand and why he would lay it down:dontknow:
 
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I agree with tenbob. In rebuys, it is best to be willing to rebuy/add on. I think your opponent wanted to show that he was not going to be pushed around throughout the tourney.

he went out 2 orbits later with the same hand to Queens....:rolleyes:
 
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please elaborate a little more tb...

why not snap call with 99 right before the rebuy ends..if you lose the coinflip you can buy back up to 6k in chips...

1010 is just as vulnerable as the 99..and u lose that coinflip or 80/20 and ur down to 600..i mean if he wouldve THOUGHT about it for even a few seconds...but he almost beat me into the pot...

and i dont plan on rebuying or adding on..and it doesnt bother me to play in it without doing such, or that the other guys do so, and that wasnt open for criticism...:p i usually have enuff chips at the end of rebuy that i dont need to do so...

and im not as concerned about him making that call...ill take a CF or even 4 to 1 shortstacked and card dead at that point...as i am about his thinking on the 99 hand and why he would lay it down:dontknow:

Its about equity, ranges, and players perception (ie people are more prepared to stack lighter in a rebuy).

Right to see the difference between 99 and 10's just mess around a little with pokerstove, and youll see that ranges like K10, J10, Q10 and lots of crappy broadway hands are flipping with 9's and dominated by 10's.

You should also re-think your rebuy strat. Look at it this way, lets say you survive the re-buy preriod without the rebuy, and with 6K chips you figure a 3K addon isnt worth it. You get in with AA the next hand, and KK the following one, so yove not just missed out on the 3K add on, your now 24k stack would be 36K. (the addon value grows in value as you go)
 
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