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OK so Im getting better at Omaha but still don't quiet understand some of the high hands. Ive been winning pretty regular but Ive had a few hands that I wasn't sure how to play. I will try to get some screen shots or play history.

Another thing is (I know you have to play two hole cards and the board cards) but why can you use 1 hole card to make a set (2 on board and your one hole card makes a set) with your 2nd hole card as a kicker, but you cant do the same with other hands, say 1 hole card to make a str8 with your 2nd hole card to be the kicker)? Why does it work with a set but no other hand?
 
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OK so Im getting better at Omaha but still don't quiet understand some of the high hands. Ive been winning pretty regular but Ive had a few hands that I wasn't sure how to play. I will try to get some screen shots or play history.

Another thing is (I know you have to play two hole cards and the board cards) but why can you use 1 hole card to make a set (2 on board and your one hole card makes a set) with your 2nd hole card as a kicker, but you cant do the same with other hands, say 1 hole card to make a str8 with your 2nd hole card to be the kicker)? Why does it work with a set but no other hand?

To answer the bolded piece, doing so would be a 6 card hand not a 5 card hand, you have to view it as the best 5 card hand and 2 of those cards must be from the 4 you hold in your hand.........which is why you can't make a straight or flush using 4 cards from the board.
 
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To answer the bolded piece, doing so would be a 6 card hand not a 5 card hand, you have to view it as the best 5 card hand and 2 of those cards must be from the 4 you hold in your hand.........which is why you can't make a straight or flush using 4 cards from the board.



So a set is the only 5 card hand possible using 1 hole card and 1 as a kicker?
 
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How, not knowing the rules of Omaha, you are "winning pretty regular"? Learn me?
 
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So a set is the only 5 card hand possible using 1 hole card and 1 as a kicker?

no, two pair would be similar on a 55K92 board if you held AKJQ then you would have 55kkA...........best 5 card hand so whatever falls into that situation.....you just can't make a 5 card hand using only 1 card from your hand because it violates the rules of having to use 2 cards from your hand and 3 from the board (therefore cannot use 4 from the board to make you hand).

Edit: in addition, 1 card from your hand and 2 on the board is referred to as "trips" not a set, to have a set you would have a pocket pair in the hole.
 
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So a set is the only 5 card hand possible using 1 hole card and 1 as a kicker?

A set always uses two cards from your hand --- in Omaha or in Hold'em. Trips uses one card from your hand in either game.

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How, not knowing the rules of Omaha, you are "winning pretty regular"? Learn me?

Didn't say I didn't know the rules only that I was confused about the 1 card from hole card rule.
 
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no, two pair would be similar on a 55K92 board if you held AKJQ then you would have 55kkA...........best 5 card hand so whatever falls into that situation.....you just can't make a 5 card hand using only 1 card from your hand because it violates the rules of having to use 2 cards from your hand and 3 from the board (therefore cannot use 4 from the board to make you hand).

Edit: in addition, 1 card from your hand and 2 on the board is referred to as "trips" not a set, to have a set you would have a pocket pair in the hole.

See here we go in your example you are only using 1 hole card the k, that's where I get confused.

Thanks for clarifying the set vs trips I didn't know that. :)
 
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See here we go in your example you are only using 1 hole card the k, that's where I get confused.

Thanks for clarifying the set vs trips I didn't know that. :)

No problem, actually in my example I am using the A and the K from my hand and the 55K from the board to make the best 5 card poker hand of 2 pair (5's, k's) with the A kicker.
 
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Hand played correctly?

Not rule related but just wondering how many would have played the hand same as I did. I was worried he had the str8 all along but figure he could be bluffing so I called it out and won.
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Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) Omaha
Thursday 19 Feb 2015 4:17:45 PM
1: MMMMM (sitting out)
2: S
3: M
4: AhhhFvk
5: pokersharkslayer (Dealer)
6: Bogusaces3
*** BLINDS ***
Bogusaces3 Posts Small Blind $1.00
Solucka Posts Big Blind $2.00
*** PREFLOP ***
Bogusaces3 Hole Cards: Qs,3h,As,Ah
MrCanter Folds
AhhhFvk Folds
pokersharkslayer Raises $7.00
Bogusaces3 Calls $6.00
Solucka Calls $5.00
*** POSTFLOP ***
Community Cards: Ac,3c,4s
Bogusaces3 Bet $10.50
Solucka Raises $52.50
pokersharkslayer Folds
Bogusaces3 Calls $42.00
*** POSTTURN ***
Community Cards: Ac,3c,4s,Js
Bogusaces3 Checks
Solucka Bet $58.00
Bogusaces3 Calls $58.00
*** POSTRIVER ***
Community Cards: Ac,3c,4s,Js,8h
Bogusaces3 Checks
Solucka went All In $100.52
Bogusaces3 went All In $67.50
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Solucka Shows 5h,4d,3d,4c
Bogusaces3 Shows Qs,3h,As,Ah
*** END OF GAME ***
Bogusaces3 won $373.00 from Pot 1 with Three of a Kind Aces
 
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No comments on how I played that hand? I know I limped in but have a bad history with aces but I should have raised preflop since two face cards were suited? Maybe he bet aggressive because I didn't raise? I never even put him on the small set I was thinking str8 or bluff.
 
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No problem, actually in my example I am using the A and the K from my hand and the 55K from the board to make the best 5 card poker hand of 2 pair (5's, k's) with the A kicker.

Ok say you had different hole cards maybe 5684 and he had a similar hand and you both had trips does the k on the board play as the high kicker, what does that do to you, make no hand? No trips because you don't have the high kicker? Not sure if explained that right.
 
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Thousands of members here and noone has comments :confused:
 
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Not rule related but just wondering how many would have played the hand same as I did. I was worried he had the str8 all along but figure he could be bluffing so I called it out and won.
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Thursday 19 Feb 2015 4:17:45 PM
1: MMMMM (sitting out)
2: S
3: M
4: AhhhFvk
5: pokersharkslayer (Dealer)
6: Bogusaces3
*** BLINDS ***
Bogusaces3 Posts Small Blind $1.00
Solucka Posts Big Blind $2.00
*** PREFLOP ***
Bogusaces3 Hole Cards: Qs,3h,As,Ah
MrCanter Folds
AhhhFvk Folds
pokersharkslayer Raises $7.00
Bogusaces3 Calls $6.00
Solucka Calls $5.00
*** POSTFLOP ***
Community Cards: Ac,3c,4s
Bogusaces3 Bet $10.50
Solucka Raises $52.50
pokersharkslayer Folds
Bogusaces3 Calls $42.00
*** POSTTURN ***
Community Cards: Ac,3c,4s,Js
Bogusaces3 Checks
Solucka Bet $58.00
Bogusaces3 Calls $58.00
*** POSTRIVER ***
Community Cards: Ac,3c,4s,Js,8h
Bogusaces3 Checks
Solucka went All In $100.52
Bogusaces3 went All In $67.50
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Solucka Shows 5h,4d,3d,4c
Bogusaces3 Shows Qs,3h,As,Ah
*** END OF GAME ***
Bogusaces3 won $373.00 from Pot 1 with Three of a Kind Aces

I'm typically not an omaha player (especially at this limit online), although I do enjoy the game. As you mention I think you could have raised pre especially given you were double suited with nut flush cards...however the flat pre does disguise the strength of your hand which is probably why villian took the line that he did.

On the flop although you flop top set that's almost as far as you will be improving in the hand because you have a 3 in your hand it leaves only 2 x 3's, 3 x 4's available or runner runner paired board to give you the full house. Because omaha is a big draw heavy game I think you should charge for these draws and when the safe J comes on the turn I think you should have reraised and looked to get as much money in the pot as you could at this point......since you were calling him down regardless with not believing he had the 25 for the straight then you have the current nuts on the turn and J put's more draw possibilities out there that could beat you so you want to charge him for the next card if he is on a draw.

My thoughts on the hand.

Ok say you had different hole cards maybe 5684 and he had a similar hand and you both had trips does the k on the board play as the high kicker, what does that do to you, make no hand? No trips because you don't have the high kicker? Not sure if explained that right.

Ok, I have to ask why are you playing 200PLO if you seem to not be sure as to the most basic aspect of the game?

if you have 5684, and say he has 5682 on a board of 66K39 then you would have 666K8 vs 666K8.....even though the 8 is lower than the 9 on the board because you must use two from your hand so for both it would be the 68 and in this example would be a split pot.
 
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Thanks for your input I understand those hands better now, thats the only ones I didnt quite understand. I dont always play that high stakes but occasionally venture in when Im up. Its $1-$2 pot limit not $200.

I'm typically not an omaha player (especially at this limit online), although I do enjoy the game. As you mention I think you could have raised pre especially given you were double suited with nut flush cards...however the flat pre does disguise the strength of your hand which is probably why villian took the line that he did.

On the flop although you flop top set that's almost as far as you will be improving in the hand because you have a 3 in your hand it leaves only 2 x 3's, 3 x 4's available or runner runner paired board to give you the full house. Because omaha is a big draw heavy game I think you should charge for these draws and when the safe J comes on the turn I think you should have reraised and looked to get as much money in the pot as you could at this point......since you were calling him down regardless with not believing he had the 25 for the straight then you have the current nuts on the turn and J put's more draw possibilities out there that could beat you so you want to charge him for the next card if he is on a draw.

My thoughts on the hand.



Ok, I have to ask why are you playing 200PLO if you seem to not be sure as to the most basic aspect of the game?

if you have 5684, and say he has 5682 on a board of 66K39 then you would have 666K8 vs 666K8.....even though the 8 is lower than the 9 on the board because you must use two from your hand so for both it would be the 68 and in this example would be a split pot.
 
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200PLO = 200$ buyin at 100bb...ie. $1/2$

no problem on the input, continued gl on the felt.
 
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10-4 Im learning lingo now Thanks cards chat lol

Bearplay yes Thank You I reposted because I wasnt getting feedback on that thread.........until i posted this one lol

200PLO = 200$ buyin at 100bb...ie. $1/2$

no problem on the input, continued gl on the felt.
 
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