Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

#1 February 1st, 2020, 10:04 PM

We set the tone for any poker hand preflop. Every decision (or indecision) we make has an effect on the rest of the hand (and cumulatively the entire poker game) . It is important to have plan, and that includes knowing what and when to raise preflop. Plan wisely, and you will set your poker game up for optimal success more often than not.

Take a look at our Preflop Raise Sizing

Do you follow these principles, or do you have a different plan of attack? Or are you more a "fly by the seat of your pants" sort of player, making it up as you go (how's that working out for you, by the way Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

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#2 February 2nd, 2020, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Tammy

We set the tone for any poker hand preflop. Every decision (or indecision) we make has an effect on the rest of the hand (and cumulatively the entire poker game) . It is important to have plan, and that includes knowing what and when to raise preflop. Plan wisely, and you will set your poker game up for optimal success more often than not.

Take a look at our poker strategy article: Preflop Raise Sizing

Do you follow these principles, or do you have a different plan of attack? Or are you more a "fly by the seat of your pants" sort of player, making it up as you go (how's that working out for you, by the way Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

)?

Hello there master Tammy! Another singular article, very good indeed!
A couple of days ago I put up a thread talking about sizing in CardsChat CardsChat Freeroll Club: how to deal with exploitation?

Well, some players are really masters in altering their sizes to explore recreational players.
However, there are those who overdo it, and try to do it against decent regulars, and that's not a good ideia.
I will utilize these ideias in the article in my next tournaments, it is really interesting that we could be opening 3x when deep stacked (60-70 bb) and getting small in proportion to our stack sizes (2.1x to 2.5x varying)

Cash Games

I play more cash games, but we are trying to learn about poker in general, right? At the cash tables it's really fun to play with our sizes preflop: for instance, sometimes, when it comes in gap, and I am hero in the BTN, and there are two whales in the blinds who simply love too much calling (the real calling station, with VPIP 30 or more), I can open 4 blinds, 5 blinds, even 10 blinds, because I know this kind of player will think that I am lying and call just to see how would I react.
The same goes for 3-bet and 4-bet size: when I see the opponent loves to call why not increase the size with our better hands, for the times we hit (or not at all!) we take down a marvelous pot?
We have to be careful when facing regulars, as the article describes. Against regulars, we want to play our most perfect and balanced game, thus we don't open doors and windows for exploitation.

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

#3 February 2nd, 2020, 2:11 PM

An excellent article about preflop bet sizing!

I would say there are different views on the topic.

Some players vary their open-raise size, while others keep a fixed size. I tend to keep a specific open-raise size of 2.2 to 2.7bb from sesssion to session. Now, as we know very well, there is a difference between cash games and MTTs.

When it comes to 3/4-betting, I tend to keep the size fixed.

#4 February 2nd, 2020, 4:33 PM

Interesting that approach! In tournaments where you have more chips and space to play, perhaps this could be a good line to opt for this type of variation in relation to opening hands.

#5 February 3rd, 2020, 12:33 PM

Great Article Cardschat and very thought provoking. I think the important aspect here is that point about players who are not paying attention or do not understand the principle of bet sizing. To manage your bet sizing properly, we have to really pay attention to identify these players and make sure our own strategy is not undone by someone who has no strategy at all.

BB

#6 February 3rd, 2020, 9:08 PM

It is all well explained. Nothing to add. Except I never understood "raise pre-flop because you can win more if someone calls". You can also lose more if you don't win. My statistics tells me I won less than half hands when I raised pre-flop. One third maybe.

#7 February 4th, 2020, 1:55 AM

Yep , it definitely sets the mood when anyone raises pre -flop.
There is some good ideas in this one. Thank-you for the help again.

I like this part :
Once we get shorter stacked, things certainly change. We want to start opening with smaller sizings, for a couple of reasons. One is that a smaller open will usually achieve the same effect at shorter stacks. This means that we can create a similar amount of folds, and achieve a similar amount of fold equity, with smaller sizings. Another reason concerns maneuverability postflop.

Well, for me when my stack is shorter ... especially after an "oopsie" , my usual option is to shove Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

Not sure if anyone has paid attention to the betting boxes at every table ? In this article , it mentions about "sizing " . well I found out years ago , those boxes are a guide to how much to raise at each turn.
So, if you are in doubt , those boxes are a good start to raise pre-flop , or for the turn and the river.

For me , my habit is to usually hit the Pot button on the top of those boxes .

#8 February 4th, 2020, 3:30 AM

Thank you very much for this article, it has helped me a lot to improve my preflop game.
I think it depends on who you are playing against, a good player can open the range of hands, but against a bad player, you have to have a good hand.

#9 February 4th, 2020, 5:37 PM

I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for the article.

#10 February 4th, 2020, 11:33 PM

Usually I prefer to open from strong positions and the raising is 2-3bb, depending from my hand, the position and the players we play together. If we play enough time together and everyone has studied others, then I must consider this and be more carefull when raising.

#11 February 5th, 2020, 5:33 AM

A lot of plus players in NL think that you should always pre-flop with a raise. The average raise is about 4BB, and the raise is on many cards, and not just on the top ones. For example, in the middle position, any pair is actively raised.

#12 February 5th, 2020, 4:25 PM

love this article especially early late blind play etc...this is a spot i have trouble with at times so to study more on that will only help my game more

#13 February 5th, 2020, 4:41 PM

Good article with great advice...
I personnally also like the smallball poker approach in which you use a small fixed raise, regardless of cards and position.... If you always raise 2bb your opponents have literally no clue what kind of hand to put you on. And if they ran into monsters a few times after you only raisedd to 2BB these small raises will have pretty much the same effect in terms of getting players to fold. It also makes it very hard for your opponent to figure out where they are after the flop, because the 2BB raise could meann anything from small suited connectors to AA... This can lead to a lot of folds against your cbets with weak hands and can also cause them to pay you when you have hit the nuts on the flop....

#14 February 7th, 2020, 1:23 AM

Originally Posted by Aballinamion

Hello there master Tammy! Another singular article, very good indeed!
A couple of days ago I put up a thread talking about sizing in CardsChat Freerolls: CardsChat Freeroll Club: how to deal with exploitation?

Well, some players are really masters in altering their sizes to explore recreational players.
However, there are those who overdo it, and try to do it against decent regulars, and that's not a good ideia.
I will utilize these ideias in the article in my next tournaments, it is really interesting that we could be opening 3x when deep stacked (60-70 bb) and getting small in proportion to our stack sizes (2.1x to 2.5x varying)

Cash Games

I play more cash games, but we are trying to learn about poker in general, right? At the cash tables it's really fun to play with our sizes preflop: for instance, sometimes, when it comes in gap, and I am hero in the BTN, and there are two whales in the blinds who simply love too much calling (the real calling station, with VPIP 30 or more), I can open 4 blinds, 5 blinds, even 10 blinds, because I know this kind of player will think that I am lying and call just to see how would I react.
The same goes for 3-bet and 4-bet size: when I see the opponent loves to call why not increase the size with our better hands, for the times we hit (or not at all!) we take down a marvelous pot?
We have to be careful when facing regulars, as the article describes. Against regulars, we want to play our most perfect and balanced game, thus we don't open doors and windows for exploitation.

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

I'll have to check out your thread and see what it's all about. This is a great post - particularly the part about cash games, and you could also adapt this method in a tournament. But getting to know the players at your table, and gauging just how much you can get away with raising (or how little you can get away with) is a great tool and practice.

Originally Posted by BentleyBoy

Great Article Cardschat and very thought provoking. I think the important aspect here is that point about players who are not paying attention or do not understand the principle of bet sizing. To manage your bet sizing properly, we have to really pay attention to identify these players and make sure our own strategy is not undone by someone who has no strategy at all.

BB

Great points! You always have to pay attention, and know your opponents. Novice players will not understand certain dynamics of play, so won't really know how to recognize the "messages" you're trying to convey. It's crucial to be able to recognize that when we play.

Originally Posted by cheeeer

It is all well explained. Nothing to add. Except I never understood "raise pre-flop because you can win more if someone calls". You can also lose more if you don't win. My statistics tells me I won less than half hands when I raised pre-flop. One third maybe.

It's not just about "winning more if someone calls". It's also about not giving more marginal hands the odds to call and potentially outdraw your hands by letting them in cheap. It's how a lot of people's aces get cracked because they misplay them preflop.

Originally Posted by Bev

Yep , it definitely sets the mood when anyone raises pre -flop.
There is some good ideas in this one. Thank-you for the help again.

I like this part :
Once we get shorter stacked, things certainly change. We want to start opening with smaller sizings, for a couple of reasons. One is that a smaller open will usually achieve the same effect at shorter stacks. This means that we can create a similar amount of folds, and achieve a similar amount of fold equity, with smaller sizings. Another reason concerns maneuverability postflop.

Well, for me when my stack is shorter ... especially after an "oopsie" , my usual option is to shove Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

Not sure if anyone has paid attention to the betting boxes at every table ? In this article , it mentions about "sizing " . well I found out years ago , those boxes are a guide to how much to raise at each turn.
So, if you are in doubt , those boxes are a good start to raise pre-flop , or for the turn and the river.

For me , my habit is to usually hit the Pot button on the top of those boxes .

Those little buttons do come in handy. Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

#15 February 8th, 2020, 2:44 PM

All well said and all correct in the article. I still have to say that people should mind that often in live cash games, pre flop bets are way bigger then standard which is around 2.5x.
In poker club I play at, it's 200NL and it is pretty standard to bet anywhere between 12$ and 25$ which is quite insane, but is so because majority of the players look to make fast money, and not play to win in the long run.
If anyone ends up in such environment - my advice is to tighten up big time. You will always have more then enough lunatics to call you with any 2 cards with the mindset: "what IF I hit it good this exact hand"

#16 February 8th, 2020, 3:57 PM

Sometimes i like complete balance and raising the same amount every time, and sometimes i like to mix it and at both times i keep my opponents guessing what i have. Mixed raising is a little bit more open to exploitation since they can see a pattern in your sizing so you need go change it all the time and keep it unpredictable

#17 February 8th, 2020, 4:02 PM

Good article and a lot of help to improve our poker.

#18 February 9th, 2020, 6:33 PM

This article was great and gave me a lot to think about. In the past I have tried not to analyze things to much while playing because it tends to mess up my game. However, reading this now and analyzing it prior to my next game will hopefully allow me to adjust my pre-flop raising size to see if I can get better results based on this information. Typically I have never played following any sort of guide on pre-flop raising and I will admit I am generally all over the place. I will definitely have think about some of the reasoning and see if I can use it to better my game!

#19 February 9th, 2020, 6:46 PM

Personally, I depend a lot on my position and the strength of my hand, if I have raised preflop and I enter with a player I usually make a continuation bet, in the middle of the boat, whether or not I have connected in the flop, if the flop is very risky for example with a color project or stall I also make the continuation bet, if the villain has raised preflop and I call, in the flop connect or do not connect I check, that way I study your bet preflop ... I WILL SEE HOW MUCH YOU WILL BET POSTFLOP AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE!

#20 February 9th, 2020, 8:56 PM

A very important topic Tammy.

Although most times my pre-flop betting is pretty similar to the proposed sizing, lately I am beginning to mix it up quite a bit.

This of course depends on the players at the table. Every now and then, I lay in wait with a monster hand under the gun and simply flat call waiting for the expected raises from late position and middle position.

More and more, I realize that one has to really be skilled at navigating post flop as players are trying triple barrels and more stone cold bluffs. It is nice when a player bets 3 x BB pre-flop and keeps betting on each street to a board with low cards simply because he has AK and your wide range in middle and late position hits!

I am happy that your post validates my usual pre-flop play but it is becoming increasingly challenging to navigate post-flop waters.

#21 February 13th, 2020, 6:39 AM

Very informative argue as the GTO method is just to min raise from every position preflop. I have experimented with this myself, but, while this has fallen out of favor with the GTO community in general (now the 2.5 raise is in fashion), it still persists in many games that I play and watch. Maybe in high stakes games, this is still sound strategy, but not in low and medium stakes.

I absolutely agree with varying open sizing according to position and to stack depth although I generally do it opposite. I like to open smaller from EP because my preflop range has such a very positive EV against any callers (especially the BB). In later position, I have a much wider range and I tend to open up a bit larger. I also vary this according to my stack size and the effective stacks.

I also like that you pointed out that you can adjust your opening size based on whether the opponents are strong or weak or whether they pay attention to the varying opens at all. I find that competent players will read into your bet sizing and will play back at you. This opens up "leveling wars" that you want to avoid in tournaments, but can be fun and profitable in cash games.

I think one thing you should have mentioned in this article is how open limping is BAD except in very few specific situations.

Overall, great article. We will see how many CC players actually read it and apply it to their games.

#22 February 15th, 2020, 6:43 AM

Hello poker fans,

Like I said previously, making that initial post flop bet, 3 x BB bet or whatever, is only the beginning. You still have to navigate through the murky waters of uncertainty.

I have included three hands or so for your feedback. Did I make the right bet pre-flop?

What would you do differently and why Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

I love this game but it does not love me - the last hand is censored! (Not for the faint of heart Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

Hand 1

https://www.boomplayer.com/32419482_374AA23117

https://www.boomplayer.com/32419486_3EAB91A990

I am lucky that I only play .10 games, otherwise I would have gone loco. Off course, I play where my bank roll is comfortable and recreational for now.

#23 February 15th, 2020, 9:51 AM

Hello,

Yeah I follow the general rules of your article.

Cash (always deep stacked) I always open 2.5x and 3x from the SB.

On tourneys is where I become more fancy haha.

When deep and at the first stages of blinds I open 2.5x and 3x from the SB exactly like cash.
As a shorter stack and/or when big blinds are on the later stages I open 2.1x and I still go for 3x from the SB (although I feel that this becomes somewhat of a big sized bet. I'm considering to fix it at 2.7-2.8x as you suggest at the end of the article)

These about open raising if no limpers in the pot.
I add 1bb for every limper.

I also don't change my sizing depending on my position (other than the SB) and of course my holding. No info for you! xD

#24 February 15th, 2020, 1:43 PM

Firstly, a very relevant article after you made the starting stack in PokerStars freerolls of 3000 chips, I admit that I play very deep in stacks very poorly, so I prefer to skip the first 30-40 minutes. Now I am armed, I will try to apply and understand the information from the articles)

#25 February 17th, 2020, 5:36 PM

Great article ! Like always really detailed and understandable I usually follow this guide that you describe such as the 3xbb deep stack although when is a slow tourney or have some calling station (

) on my table I like to make it bigger like 4xbb usually when is late stage and have like 30bb stack I tend to just raise 2xbb not 2.1 or 2.2 I will consider adjust my bet options to see how works in my strategy... But really great things to remember and study once in a while ...
Thanks !

#26 February 18th, 2020, 3:01 AM

Very interesting article indeed. I'm aware that being aggressive is one of the fundamental keys to victory, but I really never gave much thought to preflop raising sizes in relation to stack size, fortunately, this article has really opened my eyes, this is the theory I need now I'm definitely going to be more conscious about my raising tactics. Thanks.

#27 February 18th, 2020, 3:53 PM

The importance of the exact size of the preflop raise (especially the opening raise) is greatly exaggerated. If you raise first in your hand, you just have to raise. You must make them the same for all hands and positions in order to give other players no information about the strength of your hand. You must give exactly one piece of information — you have raised. All this is enough to steal the blind. In all other cases (calling, reraising, squeezing) the size of the first raise will not be of particular importance, and the reaction of the villains and the game on the following streets are much more important.

#28 February 19th, 2020, 7:19 PM

Very good article as always.
good I usually always increase 1bb all hand to raise the value of the same pot with a bad hand, but when I have a strong hand increased from 3 to 4bb

#29 February 20th, 2020, 6:21 PM

very good article. and reading some answers is making me reflect on some of my attitudes

#30 February 21st, 2020, 3:42 AM

I generally open the 3x in cash games (plus a blind for any limpers behind).
I tend to over raise exploitative when I know my opponent is sticky once he has put money in the pot

#31 February 21st, 2020, 4:24 AM

I couldn't quite understand it, but it's a start for me.
Slowly and always, it's a popular saying here in Brazil, with patience and reading a few times a week. I'm sure that in an hour everything that was said in the article will be part of my game.
I usually follow the line 2.5x 3x.
Very good content Congratulations Tammy.

#32 February 21st, 2020, 11:59 AM

Not sure I like this idea of varying preflop raise size based on stack size. It doesn't really come into play for me most of the time at the micros, where it seems there's always someone ready to 3-bet shove no matter what you do. Ideally, I'd prefer a fixed and smaller (2.2-2.5x) pre-flop raise amount regardless of position and card strength. Much easier to disguise your hand this way, and gives you more options when you get re-raised. You can easily fold, call or 4-bet. However, at micro stakes I find this works less often and feel the I need to raise bigger and bigger to get casual players to fold. Some people just love to shove on you preflop anytime you make a smallish raise because they see it as weak. On the other hand, some people love to shove on you when you raise bigger because they think you're bluffing. It helps to know your opponents, which of course is not always possible online.

#33 February 21st, 2020, 11:35 PM

When playing poker it is common, when thinking about the OR (Open raise) ranges, have as references;

The size of our bet; or
Our position; or
Thoughts such as "depending on the rivals that remain to act."

But when we play tournaments, the most important factor (the one that most influences our decisions) is the size of our �Stack�, because depending on the stack, our decisions will vary depending on the size of it, that is, our strategy must be adapted to the different sizes of the stack.

#34 February 21st, 2020, 11:58 PM

Dear Tammy, thanks for the informative article. I have a strategy to raise the rate of 3bb and 4bb, I studied this theory at poker school and adhere to it. I noticed that the random number generator when raising (raise) very often gives a match. And further on in science, after the flop is raised, and then how it goes, it all depends on the behavior of the opponents😆

#35 February 22nd, 2020, 1:05 PM

excellent article and for sure it will help us a lot to improve our and with respect to the pre flop re-ups there is a lot to take in between our stack of chips the position and against whom we are playing what kind of players that something very important

#36 February 23rd, 2020, 9:37 AM

Great article on preflop bet size!
I usually prefer raising 2.28
bb, but I also vary the rate from 2bb to 3bb - it depends on the size of my stack!

#37 February 23rd, 2020, 11:21 AM

A really fab article with very useful guidelines - and I was pleasantly surprised to learn that my own bet-sizing strategy falls fairly closely in line with your own. I tend to keep my bet-sizing consistent for the first few levels of any given tournament, and I usually opt for either 2.7bb for my opening raises if I'm in a lowball kinda mood or, more often, 3.1bb for a more aggressive approach. Later in the tourney with bigger blinds and shorter stacks I'll reduce to 2.4 if I began at 2.7, or reduce to 2.7 if I began at 3.1 - I almost always avoid whole numbers in my sizing, I like to think it messes with villains' pot odds calculations later in the hand!

#38 February 23rd, 2020, 7:37 PM

Thank you for the article. It's always great to prove your knowledges or find out something new what you didn't know before by reading this kind of topics. It's really important to get a right preflop raise to cut off most of the players. I usually do 2bb or 3bb depending of my position and stack size.

#39 February 23rd, 2020, 8:16 PM

Good read, although I don't fully agree on the exact sizings you recommend (for tournaments that is, I'm not a cash game player), the basic principles should help out a number of beginning players here Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

"but one potential downside is that your opponents may not be aware that you are varying your sizings in this way, that is, based on position. They may assume that it is a tell regarding your hand strength, in which case they may respond to this in a way which we cannot readily interpret."

This is the only principle that I don't fully agree with (even though I do not vary my own sizes based on position, except SB, either at the moment). Yes indeed this may cause them to adjust in weird ways. But although this may be hard to predict, wrong adjustments usually end up as money in our pockets. So I do not see this as a downside.

Besides, as you note later in the article, if the opponents would be bad enough to make wrong assumptions based on no data at all, the question is if they'd actually be good enough to notice this and adjust in the first place.

Other than that well written! Nice piece to pick up some things for most players here I reckon Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

#40 February 26th, 2020, 2:28 AM

Very good article the pre flop raise is very important because any strategy starts by an study about how manny hands to open acording to the bb/100 expectative.
I ussually do some off the muves talk in the article, i open(in tournament) 3x when im deep and start openning 2,5; 2.2; and 2 in proportion off my stack.

#41 February 26th, 2020, 6:31 PM

Thanks for the great article on bid sizes. The size of my bet depends on the type of tournament and players and is within 2-4 bb, but sometimes I like to call 1 bb))

#42 February 27th, 2020, 2:30 PM

Thanks for the great article! Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

Most of the times I play from "text book"...BUT, attacks plan is change with different opponents... Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

#43 February 27th, 2020, 4:50 PM

Wohh poker is so complex, I never knew you had strategies for size pre flop, for me it was only 2 or 3 bb, kkk.

#44 February 27th, 2020, 6:03 PM

I believe that variable preflop bet sizes are the way to success!
The article liked the mathematical explanation of the 2.2BB. I have seen such bets at tables many times and never thought about why this is done.

#45 February 27th, 2020, 6:23 PM

Thank you for sharing this article. A very interesting read. This is what CardsChat is all about. Thank you!

#46 February 29th, 2020, 2:36 PM

Good and interesting article. I never thought about it. I have more or less played along and followed the other players at the table.

#47 February 29th, 2020, 2:39 PM

I would say always keep the same sizing no matter what your trying to accomplish, and from what position your raising from.

#48 February 29th, 2020, 5:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tammy

We set the tone for any poker hand preflop. Every decision (or indecision) we make has an effect on the rest of the hand (and cumulatively the entire poker game) . It is important to have plan, and that includes knowing what and when to raise preflop. Plan wisely, and you will set your poker game up for optimal success more often than not.

Take a look at our poker strategy article: Preflop Raise Sizing

Do you follow these principles, or do you have a different plan of attack? Or are you more a "fly by the seat of your pants" sort of player, making it up as you go (how's that working out for you, by the way Preflop Raise Sizing: How much should you raise preflop?

)?

it s a bit of mix up , i follow some of the plan mixing it with some of mine , the important this is to have a positive plan that can leads you to the itm , final table , and finally first Place . that s how i see a good plan

#49 February 29th, 2020, 9:04 PM

I follow the article most of the time.
On some special occasions, I'm guided by the moment, taking into account the actions of the other members at the table to change the size!

#50 July 28th, 2020, 6:26 PM

Really good article. Thanks for sharing! Helps a lot.

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