Pot odds to call a raise with a flush draw?

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Hello,
I was wondering what is the lowest pot odds you can call a raise with, holding a flush draw on the flop.

i've encountered many situations when i had the nut flush draw, got raised, and had between 2-4:1 on a call.

Help me make sure I'm calculating this right:
to complete my flush draw I have 9 outs, meaning 1.86:1.
so as long as the pot odds is higher than that, say 2:1 to call, I should make the call?

I'll appriciate any comment on this subject.
fyi im playing mostly big mtt tournaments.
 
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The odds of flush draw are 4:1. The pot ods must be equal or higher, 2:1 is too high price for the draw. I usually play the draw with 3:1 pot odds, but 2:1 i don't.
 
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it depends on your opponents stack size too..... and if they are aggressive...

if they have a large stack size and are aggressive enough that you think they will bet big even if the flush fills, then you would have the implied odds to call expecting to get paid more than 4x the bet if you hit

if they are nitty or observant, they may not bet or call when the flush fills..... meaning your implied odds are lower and the call may not be good...

if the opponent has a small stack, then you would never realize 4x the bet if you hit, making the call unprofitable....



at least, that's the way i interpret odds and implied odds of calling....


if it's a multiway pot, i may be more inclined to call since the pot odds will be better (or my contribution to the pot will be smaller) and i am more likely to get paid off if i hit the flush by one of the players....


senior members: am i getting this right?
 
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it depends on your opponents stack size too..... and if they are aggressive...

if they have a large stack size and are aggressive enough that you think they will bet big even if the flush fills, then you would have the implied odds to call expecting to get paid more than 4x the bet if you hit

if they are nitty or observant, they may not bet or call when the flush fills..... meaning your implied odds are lower and the call may not be good...

if the opponent has a small stack, then you would never realize 4x the bet if you hit, making the call unprofitable....



at least, that's the way i interpret odds and implied odds of calling....


if it's a multiway pot, i may be more inclined to call since the pot odds will be better (or my contribution to the pot will be smaller) and i am more likely to get paid off if i hit the flush by one of the players....


senior members: am i getting this right?

yes, and above yes
though everyone goes for the flush draw anyways no matter what so whatever
they only thing to fear in multiway is that your flush isnt good enough
 
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For me, its easier to think in percentages. 9 outs out of 47 unknown cards left = 9/47 = 19/100 = 19%

So if my price to call is 19% or less of what the pot would be if I called then it is a good bet.

Say you have a flush draw on the turn. The pot is 30$ and the bet is 5. If you call, that would put the pot at 40$... 5/40 = 12.5% so you would have good odds
 
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Can I suggest not calling with certain players, choose places to shove as a semi-bluff on the flop and pressure people. Check this out: If you shove twenty times and they fold 8 times, that leaves 12 times you are all in with a 2-1 chance of winning. That means you take the pot 4 times plus your original 8 folds = 12 times out of 20. In this scenario you probably lose a small amount of money overall, but you WILL GET PAID on all your trips and straights and two pair flops which will more than make up for it. This kind of a strategy will get you feared, and allow you to steal more overall.
 
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just want to add, if you arent trapping, CALLING is bad poker almost always...
 
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Help me make sure I'm calculating this right:
to complete my flush draw I have 9 outs, meaning 1.86:1.
so as long as the pot odds is higher than that, say 2:1 to call, I should make the call?

I'll appriciate any comment on this subject.
fyi im playing mostly big mtt tournaments.
In bold: the 1.86:1 odds are only if you're guaranteed to see the turn and river.

So, you would only use this if your opponent's bet on the flop puts them all-in. Since you're only calling 1 bet, but seeing both turn and river cards, you can use the 1.86:1 odds.

However, if your opponent's flop doesn't put them all in and you can expect another bet on the turn, you must calculate your odds for hitting on the flop-to-turn. And then again on turn-to-river. Which are 4.22:1 and 4:11.1 respectively.

Just grab a NLHE odds chart online and keep it open when playing. Then just use this simple flow chart:

1. Is my opponent all-in on the flop? -> Yes. -> Use odds for turn and river.
2. Is my opponent all-in on the flop? -> No. -> Use odds for flop-to-turn, then turn-to-river.
 
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