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How do calculate pot odds and why should they affect my decisions
 
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Here you can count (odds calculator), and are you going to change the decision up to you :)
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how do i do it in my head
 
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You yourself must decide, depending on the aggression of opponents and their game
 
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Not flaming but you started a thread saying you where thinking of quitting your job to play poker, surely concepts like this should already be apart of your game?
 
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Not flaming but you started a thread saying you where thinking of quitting your job to play poker, surely concepts like this should already be apart of your game?



i do ok without pot odds, but id like to understand them its difficult
 
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I hope my english skills would be enough to answer you )

You should read some articles about this. If say shorty- In poker, pot odds are the ratio of the current size of the pot to the cost of a contemplated call. Pot odds are often compared to the probability of winning a hand with a future card in order to estimate the call's expected value.

You play 1/2$ NLH 3 guys limp (2$ each), 3 guys fold, your turn. There is 3$(blinds)+6$(limps)=9$ in the pot
you must call 2$ to get chance win 9$
its 2 : 9 = 1 : 4,5 = ~18% pot odds
If you raise to 9$ instead of calling - you got 9 : 9 = 1 : 1 = 50% pot odds
Upper we dont count potential pot odds, but if you raise and know exactly that aggressive player after you will call - you can add his call to pot in mind, and got 9:18 - 1:2 instead of 9:9, but ofc you cant know exactly what your opponent will do.

Then you should count your hand odds and compare with bank odds. But all what i said upper is only pre-base lvl of counting odds. You should read some literature to get full understanding of this questions.
 
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I hope my english skills would be enough to answer you )

You should read some articles about this. If say shorty- In poker, pot odds are the ratio of the current size of the pot to the cost of a contemplated call. Pot odds are often compared to the probability of winning a hand with a future card in order to estimate the call's expected value.

You play 1/2$ NLH 3 guys limp (2$ each), 3 guys fold, your turn. There is 3$(blinds)+6$(limps)=9$ in the pot
you must call 2$ to get chance win 9$
its 2 : 9 = 1 : 4,5 = ~18% pot odds
If you raise to 9$ instead of calling - you got 9 : 9 = 1 : 1 = 50% pot odds
Upper we dont count potential pot odds, but if you raise and know exactly that aggressive player after you will call - you can add his call to pot in mind, and got 9:18 - 1:2 instead of 9:9, but ofc you cant know exactly what your opponent will do.

Then you should count your hand odds and compare with bank odds. But all what i said upper is only pre-base lvl of counting odds. You should read some literature to get full understanding of this questions.



thanks
 
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using software to calculate odds and outs.
easy to find it.

so if live... just 4 2 rules is enough, unless you play with live regs.
 
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I would start with John A's tool which is something I am excited to look at. Then I would start putting people on hands and calculating their pot odds as practice. The more you do it, the more it will be second nature.
 
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I cannot understand why you are calculating pot odds. Just play where and what you prefer
 
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Pot odds.. Like if you have a 34 $ pot and he bets 10$... Now its a pot of 44$ pot and you have a flush draw. And your drawing to 9 hearts. 9 outs 18%. You can call up to 18% of the pot 44$... So pot odds say call up to 8$ ish.
 
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You should decide yourself, depending on the aggression of opponents, the stack of them and yours, the perfil and the situations in game
 
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Pot odds are important because you are trying to decide whether your call is positive EV or negative EV. Each and every time that you put your money into the pot you want the situation 2 be a positive EV(expected value) & not negative. So as the fellow members have stated they gave you a website. So that you can practice. Most of the Articles will put you into the four and two rule. Once you calculate how many out you have remaining if you are on the Flop you multiply that by 4 that will give you a percentage of the equity that you have for that hand. if you are making a call on the river you will multiply your out by 2. If the pot was laying you 4 to 1 odds that would be somewhere around 16.6%. So if you're calling with a flush draw which has 9-outs that would be a positive call for you so you would make that if it was a negative call which means if you had less than 16% you would be folding & not risking money
 
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The reason you care is because holdem is a game of odds. And you want them in your favor.
 
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How do calculate pot odds and why should they affect my decisions

Determine the number of outs that will give us the best hand. (What is the best hand you need to assume, based on the knowledge of opponents and their actions).
 
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I hope my english skills would be enough to answer you )

You should read some articles about this. If say shorty- In poker, pot odds are the ratio of the current size of the pot to the cost of a contemplated call. Pot odds are often compared to the probability of winning a hand with a future card in order to estimate the call's expected value.

You play 1/2$ NLH 3 guys limp (2$ each), 3 guys fold, your turn. There is 3$(blinds)+6$(limps)=9$ in the pot
you must call 2$ to get chance win 9$
its 2 : 9 = 1 : 4,5 = ~18% pot odds
If you raise to 9$ instead of calling - you got 9 : 9 = 1 : 1 = 50% pot odds
Upper we dont count potential pot odds, but if you raise and know exactly that aggressive player after you will call - you can add his call to pot in mind, and got 9:18 - 1:2 instead of 9:9, but ofc you cant know exactly what your opponent will do.

Then you should count your hand odds and compare with bank odds. But all what i said upper is only pre-base lvl of counting odds. You should read some literature to get full understanding of this questions.

Very good explanation mate your English is fine ^^

Myself I prefer to leave it at 1:4.5 instead of percentages, makes it very easy to compare with the number of outs. But that's just personal preference ofcourse.
 
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Very good explanation mate your English is fine ^^

Myself I prefer to leave it at 1:4.5 instead of percentages, makes it very easy to compare with the number of outs. But that's just personal preference ofcourse.

Thx:)
I usually prefer count outs this way:
Outs - number of outs
(Outs x 2) + 1 = X% for turn
(Outs x 4) + 2 = X% for river
if Outs 3 or less - dont add this one, if outs 11+ add two instead one :) so usually i score in percentage.
Same in pot odds 30 to bank 200 is 30/230=13%
 
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Thx:)
I usually prefer count outs this way:
Outs - number of outs
(Outs x 2) + 1 = X% for turn
(Outs x 4) + 2 = X% for river

...This is incorrect and a common mistake made by newer players.

The rule of 2 is used for each individual street. For example:

-You need to call a bet on the flop to see the turn.
-You need to call a bet on the turn to see the river.

The basic rule is, if there is any more potential betting to be done on a later street, then you would use the rule of 2.

The rule of 4 is used for times where you are guaranteed to see both the turn and river without having to call any more bets. The basic rule is use the rule of 4 if you can see the turn and river without any future bets.

The rule of 4 is rarely used and most of the time, you'll be using the rule of 2.

Please note that in a situation where an opponent is all-in on the turn, then you would use the rule of 2 since you're only going to see the river card.

if Outs 3 or less - dont add this one, if outs 11+ add two instead one :) so usually i score in percentage.
Same in pot odds 30 to bank 200 is 30/230=13%
above.
 
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The simplest way to do it is to calculate the number of outs you have when you know you are behind, and then compare that to the size of the bet in comparison to the size of the pot, if the percent of the bet exceeds the percent of you making the better hand then you should fold, if the opposite stay in the hand.
 
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How do calculate pot odds and why should they affect my decisions

when the pot odds are better then your hand odds, calling you´ll be a profitable descision in long time (you search pot odds to cover your loses when you dont hit your hand value) at MTT´s you must adjust calling when pot odds are favorable cause your survival its more important at the moment, but in cash games its very helpfull on supporting your decisions
 
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i use software for calculation and you get the hang of it after a while.
 
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