Pot Limit Omaha versus No Limit Hold'em

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Hey Gang...


Hope everyone has been running like God at the tables and practicing proper bankroll management.

For the last few months, I've been playing alot of PLO instead Hold'em. From what I've read as of late, PLO is slowly becoming the game of the future. If so, is now the right time to start learning how to play the game?

Another question I have is, how high of a skill level in NLHE do you need to have in order to be successful at PLO. As it stands right now, I still consider myself a novice (IMHO a break-even player) so would it even be beneficial for me to even learn a new game if I haven't become an expert at the old one yet?
 
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its difficult to compare nlhe to plo. One of the big differences (aside from the poker variants) is that in omaha, the nuts can change from street to street. In omaha more than hold'em, comes from strength of your draws despite not having the best 5 card poker
 
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I love Omaha. You have to play it differently than no limit Hold'em. Starting hands are very important and I think that you should be not bluffing at all due to a lots of winning combinations. GL.
 
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There are some principles that apply in NLHE and PLO. For the most part the basic principles of pot control and equity etc. can cross back and forth.

What I would say is you need a larger bankroll at the stake level you are playing at to play PLO. The game has more variance in winnings and losses, even for a winning player.

PLO requires more finesse in how you approach the hand, you have to play a tight range of hands, but it is a very different range than what you would play in NLHE. One of the reasons it is difficult to move from NLHE to PLO is that it is a harder game to master and some of the principles from NLHE transfer well and others (hand selection and hand strength) absolutely do not.

PLO is a tough game, but it can be profitable. Because it is a hard game, you can really do well in it if you understand how to play it. Most players (especially at the low levels) have absolutely 0 comprehension. That means a little bit of an edge can make a big difference.

Skill level is not an easy thing to gauge- and there is not "level" where going from NLHE to PLO is easier or harder. They are different games with enough similarities that it can be hard for some people to transition.

PLO is also a game that has been less studied, which means it is harder to get an edge in.
 
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PLO is more fun :)


that may be true. I personally do better in PLO than I do in NLHE, but I find it takes more focus and I can't play as many tables. So while my bb/100 is better in PLO I get fewer hands in, so by the hour I do better at NLHE.

I really enjoy PLO
 
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You don't need to know holdem to learn Omaha. But you should take some time and study it at first. At least learn what a good pre-flop hand looks like. It's much important in Omaha that your cards work together.
 
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PLO strategy is much different then NLHE strategy
its a game worth learning though - the PLO fish are hopeless compared to the NL fish,
like in NL the fish at least have a CHANCE to draw out on you, in PLO if you know what your doing you can put yourself in so many good spots postflop and take the fishies to value town
PLO is my favorite game.
 
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I love the emphasis on drawing hands, for example if I remember correctly the top 2 starting hands are
AAKK and AA10J (assume double suited) as opposed to AAQQ
its definitely a game where understanding basic drawing odds and drawing to the nuts vs second nuts is important
 
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I am really bad at seeing all the outs the other players could have against me in PLO. There is alot more to be aware of in those games, but I can see how you can run the tables if you know what you're doing. Most people don't really understand how it's played. I can see it being more "fun" because there is lots more action going on with bigger pots.

It is definitely a game I will be looking more into whenever my br gets a little bigger to where I can experiment at the tables some :).

TxScorpion, I think there is always room to learn another game. Gives you a something else to play whenever you are running bad at the other. Good luck at the tables.
 
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I want to know if you are looking at FR vs 6mx in your games? I didn't see that in your OP.

If you are taking FR for a comparison, you are talking a tight is right mindset. If you are talking 6mx, then you are playing loose as a goose.

I have some microstakes 6mx PLO just become all in fests! And not always with the best hands. Some hands are what I learned to call HE hands: The person has 2 cards that play great in HE but not PLO. So it becomes a coin toss.

And I think 6mx PLO has much more variance when you have maniacs playing. I have gone 100 hands, as I like to play good cards in position(Or stellar cards OOP) before I get a good hand. And all the while there are 2+ all ins.

FR PLO is a slow deliberate game vs 6mx. You are, as said above, starting with stronger hands. And you are really watching your opponents for ranges as the board will change from street to street You have the nuts on the flop, but the board pairs or flushes on the turn. Now where are you?

So make sure you have the bankroll for deciding which you want to play.

And have fun :)
 
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I want to know if you are looking at FR vs 6mx in your games? I didn't see that in your OP.

If you are taking FR for a comparison, you are talking a tight is right mindset. If you are talking 6mx, then you are playing loose as a goose.

I have some microstakes 6mx PLO just become all in fests! And not always with the best hands. Some hands are what I learned to call HE hands: The person has 2 cards that play great in HE but not PLO. So it becomes a coin toss.

And I think 6mx PLO has much more variance when you have maniacs playing. I have gone 100 hands, as I like to play good cards in position(Or stellar cards OOP) before I get a good hand. And all the while there are 2+ all ins.

FR PLO is a slow deliberate game vs 6mx. You are, as said above, starting with stronger hands. And you are really watching your opponents for ranges as the board will change from street to street You have the nuts on the flop, but the board pairs or flushes on the turn. Now where are you?

So make sure you have the bankroll for deciding which you want to play.
How anyone can really learn PLO at the microstakes is beyond me! I have literally played hours with folks who didn't fold nothing preflop or who went all in any 4 cards. I definitely can't wait to build my bankroll up enough to get out those games.
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