Post-flop: AA is not an auto all-in

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A comment on pocket aces and pocket kings; after the flop, they're only as good as an over pair. People with AA or KK go all-in post flop when they don't hit way too often. Think of it this way, let's say you play A2 and the flop comes A79. Would you go all in with top pair and a weak kicker? No? So why would you go all-in with an over pair and no kicker? That's what AA is. At best, consider this scenario. Let's say you play QQ and the flop comes 27J. Would you go all-in just because you have an over pair? Some people would, but if you wouldn't then stop and think before you go all-in after missing the flop with AA or KK. Take a second to consider someone else hitting a straight, 3 of a kind, or even two pair. How many hands do you think you can really beat with just an over pair pair? Don't look at pocket Aces as an automatic all-in. Play the hand out and walk away from more than a few tough beats.
 
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This, of course, is good, but when the stack is small, i will keep on putting the last hope of salvation on AA and KK.
 
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Playing with a pair of AA or a pair of KK post-flop is totally different from pre-flop movements ... in a post-flop situation we should always consider community cards ... sometimes these community cards allow you to have a better hand to the villains that ours ... should be analyzed very well the situation should not be played all-in automatically because you can end up losing everything ...!
 
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I completely agree, it is necessary to play by structure of plop and opponent's playing on pre-flop, with auto all-in you just do not get chips and everything fold or you lose a lot of chips
 
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OP is totally right. AA isn't tha good anymore if you don't hit the flop.
raise of course to get rid of the draws, or make them pay to see it. no insta all in
 
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In many different ways you can play AA before or after the flope! It is more important to me if I will win with her
 
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It all depends on your stack size and the circumstance of course. Doing a stop and go with AA or KK can be a very profitable play in some of the flops you mentioned in your post, especially late in a tournament with a short stack. If you raise pre-flop with your high pocket pair, get a caller, you want the flop to come J83 so that your caller can possible hit top pair so he will call your all-in, or maybe go all-in himself, and be the underdog, especially if he has AJ or KJ. The odds of flopping a flush are 118:1, and even if there is 3 to a suit on the flop, maybe you'll have the A (maybe K) of that suit to draw out the nut flush, maybe you hit your A and pair the board to fill up. You've also got to think about how the strength of your hand is hidden from your opponent as well. I wouldn't auto shove AA post-flop if I didn't have to, but if you got to get it in of course you want it.
 
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A comment on pocket aces and pocket kings; after the flop, they're only as good as an over pair. People with AA or KK go all-in post flop when they don't hit way too often. Think of it this way, let's say you play A2 and the flop comes A79. Would you go all in with top pair and a weak kicker? No? So why would you go all-in with an over pair and no kicker? That's what AA is. At best, consider this scenario. Let's say you play QQ and the flop comes 27J. Would you go all-in just because you have an over pair? Some people would, but if you wouldn't then stop and think before you go all-in after missing the flop with AA or KK. Take a second to consider someone else hitting a straight, 3 of a kind, or even two pair. How many hands do you think you can really beat with just an over pair pair? Don't look at pocket Aces as an automatic all-in. Play the hand out and walk away from more than a few tough beats.



In beginning of my poker playing some times I slowplayed my AA or KK and go all in post flop and be beaten by 72 or63 or 85. So I have learned my lesson. By the way good text and advice
 
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Ofcourse, you shouldn't always go with an overpair postflop. But an overpair is a lot stronger then top pair+weak kicker but an overpair will be good many more times then top pair+weak kicker and will mean the diference if you're ahead or not. You should be trying to get max value with those and consider folding in some situations. With a top pair+weak kicker youll have to play it more cautious, even on dry boards. Top pair+weak kicker =/= overpair.
 
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Ofcourse, you shouldn't always go with an overpair postflop. But an overpair is a lot stronger then top pair+weak kicker but an overpair will be good many more times then top pair+weak kicker and will mean the diference if you're ahead or not. You should be trying to get max value with those and consider folding in some situations. With a top pair+weak kicker youll have to play it more cautious, even on dry boards. Top pair+weak kicker =/= overpair.


He had me until he compared Top pair/Weak kicker to over pairs as well. I understand his conclusion. But I have to completely disagree with how came to said conclusion.
 
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Actually, when you're ahead with both hands postflop you you have about the same chances of winning. When you are behind post-flop you have about the same chances of losing.

92 to 8 AA vs KQo
76 to 23 AA vs. Pair of K's with KQo
26 to 74 AA vs. Two Pair KQo

53 to 46 A2o vs. KQo
75 to 24 A2o paired A vs. Pair of K's with KQo
25 to 74 A2o paired A vs. Two Pair KQo

Courtesy of CardsChat odds calculator
 
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AA sucks.

My aces are half stack to all in pre flop. If your lucky enough to hit two pair or better than it was ment to be. My aces are running 62 percent over 150,000 hands on Inter tops. I don't always get a caller but the norm is at least one comes for the ride. So that tells you that aces suck. But I know I can't fold them so come big or don't come at all. If I lose is not a bad beat it's a suck out. So that tells me I got my money in good just didn't win. It happens. Let's play poker:ciao:
 
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I remember one of the lessons on Stars which places you in the button with AA, in a 9 player table, and everybody after the UTG goes allin pre-flop and the question was "...what would you do?". Now... the rules and every odd is against you in a situation like that and you know it, and logic would dictate to fold and live to see another hand... but the answer is... you should call. It's not a real case scenario, since a situation like that is very unlikely to happen, but it proves that AA is not hard to fold if the situation demands it... just that it's a NO-FOLD ever. I can't count the times i've been outed while having AA, in big tournaments, by 78, TT, even 52 and stuff like that, and it's a bad beat and it is frustrating as hell, but it's a good play. It is however a bad play from the opponent, since he will keep calling AA and KK with shyt just because he got lucky once or twice, but in the long run, he's the one getting the bad beats. So... while it may not be an allin post-flop, i think it should. Whether the guy hit a set or a flush or 2 pair or whatever, you ain't gonna fold the aces anyway, so better go allin on the flop and have a chance at folding him/them, before they get a chance to make their hand, or take the risk and let them see it for free, then they will go allin, and you will surely call. Either way, it's a good play and you shouldn't beat urself if you loose, but a better play would be allin pre-flop or on the flop.
 
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This has made me rethink my strategy. Thx
 
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AA is just a high pair. If you can't run people out pre flop with a nice raise and flop comes out with flush and straight draws in face cards you better be think of folding. Yes there might of been one who went in with 8,5 suited but most time it's connected bigger cards. Chances of two pair increased. That's why pre flop is so important. :ciao:
 
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If you have AA then you are probably still a decent favorite tonwin the hand with the flops you mentioned.
Will you lose against someone making a better hand on turn or river sometimes? Sure you will, but in the long run shoving with an overpair will be profitable.
You mention all the possibilities to lose with an overpair, but you forget that many times you will win the pot uncontested when you shove.
When you just make a smaller bet you might get called and outdrawn by someone who would have folded to an all—in
 
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