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So I have been watching YouTube video’s lately and it seems to insist that position matters a lot. It seems to imply that middle position (in my picture the teal colors) are where you just chill out you only play hands with Ace’s and top pairs. I think that a J10 suited is a good hand but is not supposed to play in those positions. Is this accurate? I mean J10 by itself is matched up to give up a straight. Being that it’s suited you can get a flush. And they are 2 face value cards so you can get a pair or even pairs. I feel like the probability is good. Can someone please recommend a video or a good book that could explain why this holds true not just tell me to do this and that.
 
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So I have been watching YouTube video’s lately and it seems to insist that position matters a lot. It seems to imply that middle position (in my picture the teal colors) are where you just chill out you only play hands with Ace’s and top pairs. I think that a J10 suited is a good hand but is not supposed to play in those positions. Is this accurate? I mean J10 by itself is matched up to give up a straight. Being that it’s suited you can get a flush. And they are 2 face value cards so you can get a pair or even pairs. I feel like the probability is good. Can someone please recommend a video or a good book that could explain why this holds true not just tell me to do this and that.

I am pretty sure Daniel Negreanu spoke about those in his book. NOT that great a pair if you don't know how to use it ( the old it's not the size that matter but how you use it... )
Hope this was helpful and pointed you in the right direction (he actually speaks about K-J and JJ but I think it's close enough )
Also how you should play it DEPENDS and all books will tell you that. Who's after you ? A nit ? A TAG ? Someone experienced ?
Again, hope this will help you
 
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J10 is a marginal hand. While there is a good number of outs for an open ended straight and high pairs. There are plenty of hands that can beat it, JQ, JK, JA etc. Maybe you could play it on the button or cutoff, but in middle position, you have no idea what people to the left of you have, and you have no idea of figuring out from betting patterns etc. Basically, It's a marginal hand but there's a lot that can beat it.
 
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So I have been watching YouTube video’s lately and it seems to insist that position matters a lot. It seems to imply that middle position (in my picture the teal colors) are where you just chill out you only play hands with Ace’s and top pairs. I think that a J10 suited is a good hand but is not supposed to play in those positions. Is this accurate? I mean J10 by itself is matched up to give up a straight. Being that it’s suited you can get a flush. And they are 2 face value cards so you can get a pair or even pairs. I feel like the probability is good. Can someone please recommend a video or a good book that could explain why this holds true not just tell me to do this and that.

Oh and about the book or video thing, you're not going to find a video or book that tells you why a specific hand in a specific position is unplayable.
 
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Position does matter a lot. Also, J10s is a marginal hand, but that does not mean you can't play it OOP. It also relys on information. Here is an example, you limp with J10s MP. CO raises standard 3x raise. Button calls. BB 3-bets. Action is on you? How do you feel about that J10s now? It isnt so much what hands should be played in what position. It is what do you do with your position? Here is another example. Also, position changes as people fold. Lets just say your MP. Everyone folds before you. Everyone folds after you besides SB and BB. Now, YOU have position cause you are last to act.
 
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Imagine playing your hand JTs against A2o from a player who's to act after you.

If you miss the flop, the player who has position on you kinda wins with Ace high if your hand doesn't improve on turn and river.
 
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The position is how to play ?

:rolleyes: want to know who can talk about the game in positions or video will give me the link =)
little is know about the positions I would appreciate it thank you
 
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I , personally think.. that the cards in the hand.. beat the position...so you only have to wait the right cards to play and to gain some..
 
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I think you only appreciate how important position is in poker when you have been playing for a long time. J10s may look pretty but from early and middle positions you are calling the blind without knowing what so many people ahead of you will be doing. What if they raise all-in? Or, what if just one person raises all-in? How sure would you be that your J10s will be the better hand?

Now if you are playing at a table where most players limp in round after round after round then you can probably play J10 from any position and see the flop for free. The whole point, I believe, is seeing the flop. What are the chances that you will see the flop if you just call J10s? If you have aggressive players to act after you well the chances are probably not so great since you will fold J10s in the face of any significant raise.

Position plays such a vital role because those who see what everyone else has already done before making a turn are at an advantage: they know who raised, who called, who folded and so they can surmise what cards players might have.

A great book on position play would be Dan Harrington's three volume set on Texas Hold'em. I like Annie Duke's "decide to play great poker" as well.
 
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Thanks crocoduck11 I will have to google Daniel Negreanu, do you have a specific book in mind? Also thanks Punctual I will take at those 2 suggestions also, (Dan Harrington's three volume set on Texas Hold'em. I like Annie Duke's "decide to play great poker") ... And for developer716, there might be rhyme and reason to position but the videos I have been looking at are just explaining what to play in what positions how not to call everything. That's why I am writing to better understand the rules of the game. You can just type in you tube "texas holdem position" and there are bunch of videos that will pop up.
 
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