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I just watched this compilation. Nice way to see many hands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w07FnPPnD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3lfMwWeKg

From this viewing, I’ve really internalized this lesson:
Value of high card in small tables (no one has pair)
Value of pocket pairs against no pairs..
Lots of pocket pairs taking the pot when it’s head to head (and most people at the table fold)
vs. lots of suckers going all in with 2 face cards. (even pros.....#1 way to knock yourself out....)
Seems like AK or AQ or whatever....low odds to make a match. (Or only 50/50 against a pocket pair)
You’ll win if no pairs on the table, and it’s high card.....But tough call to check-raise with only unmatched face cards.
 
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You learned this from watching TV tournament poker? :)

Phil Ivey's such a good player, but still amazes me how many pros don't understand the math of the game. Guess they can make up for it in other areas of course, so I guess I'm glad they don't know because they'd really dominate.

Even Ivey makes some mathematically horrible folds in wsop games I've seen. Just spots where there's no way you should ever be folding. We all have holes in our games.
 
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Yes, the hallmark of beginner play is to chase hands like AK, and to think that there's no way 33 will win a pot.
When you see 100's of hands played, you learn a lot.

Please post video of a bad Ivey fold.
 
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Yes, the hallmark of beginner play is to chase hands like AK, and to think that there's no way 33 will win a pot.
When you see 100's of hands played, you learn a lot.

Please post video of a bad Ivey fold.

I'm not sure what you mean by chase AK.

There's a lot of bad mathematical folds by TV MTT pros. Not going to list all of Ivey's, but from the video you listed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w07FnPPnD8

17 min mark, Ivey 3-bet AQ, and then folds getting over 2.5:1. He shouldn't have 3-bet if he was planning on folding, but it's worse to fold in that spot getting that price. There's almost no two cards you can fold.

It happens, we all make mistakes.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by chase AK.

As in, you have AK and you keep betting into the pot hoping you get either an A or K. Odds are, you won't. In the end, a pair of 5's beats your useless AK hand. Once you learn this, maybe you limp in to see the flop, or stay in when it's head to head, but I don't keep betting into the pot hoping I get an A or K. (24% odds of hitting)
 
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so you want to start limping AK and play 55 aggro pre + post?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w07FnPPnD8[/url]

17 min mark, Ivey 3-bet AQ, and then folds getting over 2.5:1. .

Pot = $125k
Raise = $75k
Call is $75k

Phil's AQ Pot equity = TV says 60%
(Where does 60% come from? 6 outs gives you 24%, and straight odds is the rest?)

pot odds = 75 / 275 = 27%
or Pot odds = 200:75 = 75/275 = 27%


Is there a fast way to get from the ratio to the final percentage?
This is too much math to do in 2-3 seconds.
Pot odds = 200:75 = 75/275 = 27%
 
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it's what makes this game interesting.. but if fish itself gave me all in (Ak) preflop, i would have folded :)
nice videos guys.. it's nice to see that anyone can make a mistake.. from pro to beginers..
 
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i have found that i cant pay to much attention to what happened in other mtt or other hands. i just play the 1 i am dealt presently and try to play it correctly even if the math tells me to do 1 thing if i am convinced to do another for whatever reason thats what i do.
 
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As in, you have AK and you keep betting into the pot hoping you get either an A or K. Odds are, you won't. In the end, a pair of 5's beats your useless AK hand. Once you learn this, maybe you limp in to see the flop, or stay in when it's head to head, but I don't keep betting into the pot hoping I get an A or K. (24% odds of hitting)

You're not understanding several concepts such as fold equity, post flop play ability, etc... Also in scenarios where stacks are reasonable and someone opens 55, and you re-raise AK and get them to fold, you just got someone to forfeit their majority equity, and you win the pot 100% of the time instead of potentially 46% of the time.

We're talking in general, but the only way 55 beats AKo 54% of the time is when you get to see all 5 cards. You don't always have to have the best hand to win the pot, and that's where post flop play ability comes in.
 
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You're not understanding several concepts such as fold equity, post flop play ability, etc... Also in scenarios where stacks are reasonable and someone opens 55, and you re-raise AK and get them to fold, you just got someone to forfeit their majority equity, and you win the pot 100% of the time instead of potentially 46% of the time.

We're talking in general, but the only way 55 beats AKo 54% of the time is when you get to see all 5 cards. You don't always have to have the best hand to win the pot, and that's where post flop play ability comes in.

Unless they don't fold the 55.
Fish don't fold.
 
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Shove was fine. SPR less than 10 with only the BB left.

I don't understand. He pushed in 12million, but the blinds were only 1million.
He could have waited and played tons more hands better than Q5.
 
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