Poker simulator for learning

#1 November 5th, 2017, 4:48 AM

What would be good poker simulator online where you can play against computer ?
I am trying to raise my tournament poker skills to the next level and need a tool where I can drill new skills without hurry. Sometimes I have to think about right decision 10 minutes.

Real poker games are too fast.

***Edit (adding some suggestions since other players are looking for this)

- advancedpokertraining.com has an an MTT simulator
- you can find a solver at GTO trainer
- Try the game governor of poker 2

#2 November 5th, 2017, 7:12 AM

I don't think there is any such site.

Serious players usually review already-played hands using hand tracker programs like PT4, HM2, or DriveHud.

You can make up any scenario you would like with an equity calculator, like the one here:
http://www.propokertools.com/simulations

PT4, ICMizer's paid version, and Sit and Go Wizard 2 (free trial) have ICM quizzes that test push/fold skills.

#3 November 5th, 2017, 7:14 AM

https://www.cardschat.com/poker-odds-calculator.php

There are also ICM trainers if you play tournaments or SnG. This should help you learn to make decisions very quickly in most standard situations.

#4 November 5th, 2017, 7:49 AM

I do not want to analyse my game post factum.
I even don't want to play correctly.
I want to train an isolated skill in quasi real environment.
I could do it in cheap tournaments, but I need to think longer every of my moves and I don't want to wait while others make their play.

#5 November 5th, 2017, 8:35 AM

I'm afraid that with this method you will not achieve anything. You have to play with real people to learn something.

And, sorry for the question - what can you think about for 10 minutes? Counting pot odds, pots and odds is much faster - after some training, calculations are made in seconds. Means for such training I indicated in the previous post.

Online poker is not chess, no one will give you that much time to think. You must learn to make meaningful decisions quickly.

Online poker (and generally poker) is a game with unknown cards. You never, in any way can not calculate the exact outcome of the game. Even on the river, seeing all the community cards, you still do not know your opponent's card and can only guess their options.

#6 November 5th, 2017, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by Fahrenheit451

I do not want to analyse my game post factum.
I even don't want to play correctly.
I want to train an isolated skill in quasi real environment.
I could do it in cheap tournaments, but I need to think longer every of my moves and I don't want to wait while others make their play.

The only thing I can suggest are games made for a pc, or console(if you own one).
Look it up online.

#7 November 5th, 2017, 12:59 PM

They have an MTT simulator at advancedpokertraining.com. While it won't allow setting specific parameters for the isolated training you require it will let you practice away from real players to take that extra time needed for your decisions.

#8 November 5th, 2017, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by Fahrenheit451

What would be good poker simulator online where you can play against computer ?

Dont think thats good idea! You dont need any simulators, you just need more practice! They are without emotions and cant get into the tilt, they cant make a stupid decisions like people do. Here you can find a lot of special events games (PokerStars Home Games) where you can improve your poker skills.

Originally Posted by Fahrenheit451

I am trying to raise my tournament poker skills to the next level and need a tool where I can drill new skills without hurry. Sometimes I have to think about right decision 10 minutes.
Real poker games are too fast.

thats the point of such fast games, you have no time for thinking like you want! But you can thinking after you make your decision Poker simulator for learning

wrong or correct, and next time in the same situation you will know what to do for sure.

practice is the best way to study / Good Luck

#9 November 5th, 2017, 2:31 PM

Only experience in your case is the best assistant !!!

#10 November 5th, 2017, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

They have an MTT simulator at advancedpokertraining.com. While it won't allow setting specific parameters for the isolated training you require it will let you practice away from real players to take that extra time needed for your decisions.

Thanks, excellent tool !
I knew that someone will help me !

#11 November 6th, 2017, 3:04 PM

Check out simple GTO trainer. What you�re asking about absolutely exists. It�s called a solver

#12 November 26th, 2017, 7:09 PM

Try the game governor of poker 2...it's like the real thing!!

#13 June 17th, 2018, 8:11 PM

I added some of the suggestions to the OP - any other ideas for him and others looking for this kind of thing?

#14 June 18th, 2018, 11:16 PM

Advancedpokertraining.com. is the only place that I am aware that has this. They just had an article in Cardplayer magazine highlighting some new features they have come out with.

#15 June 19th, 2018, 3:59 AM

I would try a deck of cards and leave it out on a table. You would have any amount of time to figure out what your next move would be. You could play heads up, or whatever amount of players you want at a table, too.

#16 June 19th, 2018, 2:06 PM

Hello.
I think it is impossible to become a successful poker player by training on the simulator. You need to learn how to make quick decisions, you do not need a simulator for this. Just play poker.

#17 June 19th, 2018, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lena M

Hello.
I think it is impossible to become a successful poker player by training on the simulator. You need to learn how to make quick decisions, you do not need a simulator for this. Just play poker.

The advancedpokertraining.com simulator is actually a really good one. You can define a lot of parameters and get a lot of practice on the correct plays. You can customize parameters for mid - very large tournaments, player types and always corrects you on the right play to make. You may have picked a play that won more chips at a particular instance but it will tell you if it was incorrect.

The more you play on the simulation, the more you're trained on making snap correct decisions. And that's leads to lesser psychological burden, which helps immensely given the variance and tilt inducing nature of MTTs.

Edit: In principle it's very similar to how you train your push/fold decisions using ICM trainer if you're a more Sit n go type player.

#18 June 19th, 2018, 4:33 PM

Not a huge fan of advanced poker training especially for sngs/mtts think you are better off with a icm tool like sngwiz or icmizer and just reviewing actual situations.

#19 June 20th, 2018, 12:40 AM

Another one of interest could be https://www.pokersnowie.com/. I don't know if this has MTT training components but it is vs AI. I remember once whenhttp://www.pokersoftware.com/articles/2014/12/dan-cates-challenges-pokersnowie.html against it. I haven't tried it so if someone who has can give feedback that would be awesome.

#20 June 20th, 2018, 1:07 AM

I believe that you will not learn this way anymore on the internet you have several videos of poker taught to play in each position and taught to deal with all players style

#21 June 20th, 2018, 5:20 AM

I agree that playing against real people will teach you more.

#22 June 26th, 2018, 8:11 PM

Nah for begginers and learning I think a good book and 6 player max cash game against computer is the best way to learn and play. To give you confidences going against real people, In cash games.Instead of going straight in and playing a scared ABC poker style. And computer programs can have different playing styles

#23 July 6th, 2018, 1:53 AM

just watch a review of tourney with hole cards face up and you will learn ranges based on what you see then also you can takes deck of cards deal out hands face up do this based on how many players at table you usually are playing start seeing the card distribution to get reads on your opponents range and what types hands you should be playing then will have better idea of how you should be playing hands optimally run out flop turn river and think about how the pot should play and this game will seem a whole lot simpler

#24 July 28th, 2018, 5:23 PM

I have wondered about the same thing - surely there must be a simulator available without having to pay a subscription. I also agree that your "skills" are best improved by playing.

But there is knowledge to be gained as well. I think your "knowledge" can be increased with good information. I am hacking my way through my own version of a simulator for my own purposes. (i am just a hack as a programmer, so it is taking me quite a bit of energy, but I am making progress). I am not intending to use it as much for playing as i am for doing some macro level GTO analysis. My intent is to be able to run the same 1000 hands from different seats positions with different player attributes, to try and isolate from a macro level, which attributes/variables, have the most effect on the outcome, and are the most sensitive to variance. Obviously, this cannot replace playing against live opponents, but i feel that you have to a solid starting point.

If anyone knows of something like this, I could save myself a lot of trouble. If you guys think this is a waste of time, please share your thoughts.

#25 July 29th, 2018, 10:42 AM

Hi
PokerSnowie lets you play against the AI and give EV based recommendations.

PokerGenius is a one time buy peice of software that does exactly what you are looking for.
Play against various customisable AI's.
They have a free trial.
Hope this helps.

#26 July 29th, 2018, 11:23 AM

Playing against AI is really a bad idea, it will be running of an algorithm, after a while you will unconsciously pick it up. Its not remotely going to play like a human will and if you practice with it long enough you will probably end up worse

#27 July 29th, 2018, 12:55 PM

Sure Forest just like Kasparov worked out Deep Blues' game or Le Se-dol cottoned on to Deepmind.
What reason do you have for AI's not to have bluffing Algorithms or polarized 3 betting algorithms or range balancing algorithms etc etc etc.
I'd go all in you'd never be able to tell the difference. Only that over the long haul you'd lose.
Every +EV bet made in microseconds.
You do that?

Regards

#28 July 29th, 2018, 1:41 PM

Originally Posted by memmark

Sure Forest just like Kasparov worked out Deep Blues' game or Le Se-dol cottoned on to Deepmind.
What reason do you have for AI's not to have bluffing Algorithms or polarized 3 betting algorithms or range balancing algorithms etc etc etc.
I'd go all in you'd never be able to tell the difference. Only that over the long haul you'd lose.
Every +EV bet made in microseconds.
You do that?

Regards

I do not believe a well thought out poker game with bots has been made tbh. Its not like Chess, which is a solved game where its about the maths. As Poker there is some luck to it, some programmer might calculate what the AI does by already have dealt the community cards in the back end, in order to make it feel life like. Anyway, OP wants a simulator for training and poker isn't about playing by the book always, imo OP and all beginner players (including me) can benefit a lot from reading the table instead, value betting tight players etc. An AI may act tight in one hand and loose in another, whereas a human being probably wont, it completely depends on who created the AI.

#29 July 29th, 2018, 9:41 PM

ty for the info will try it out

#30 July 31st, 2018, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by forest_leaves

I do not believe a well thought out poker game with bots has been made tbh. Its not like Chess, which is a solved game where its about the maths. As Poker there is some luck to it, some programmer might calculate what the AI does by already have dealt the community cards in the back end, in order to make it feel life like. Anyway, OP wants a simulator for training and poker isn't about playing by the book always, imo OP and all beginner players (including me) can benefit a lot from reading the table instead, value betting tight players etc. An AI may act tight in one hand and loose in another, whereas a human being probably wont, it completely depends on who created the AI.

That's what poker snowie claims to have achieved to an extent (from what I gather). It may have been able to quantify and base it's action frequencies accordingly. Memory is a little vague but I think there's some really good information there on other controls and specifics to a test they did with Dan Cates (Jungleman), where cards dealt were mirrored (AA vs AK then reversed) at some point in time.

To a certain extent it should be similar to the one on one coaching we get from top players because they are able to read the HUD numbers and gather a lot more insight than we do.

#31 August 3rd, 2018, 5:16 PM

Thanks memmark for the suggestions. I will check it out.

Poker is an incredibly complex game. In chess, there is no value in bluffing, and there are no unknown elements left to come. But like chess, there are certainly some optimal moves to be made and it all comes down to numbers. Even bluffs have a number (frequency, size).

I agree one must take playing with bots with a grain of salt. The idea of training isn't just about beating a bot, but about experiencing scenarios.

One man's opinions is all.

#32 May 20th, 2019, 5:19 PM

I have often tried to find this myself. Play money COULD be a good way, but there are not enough willing to sit and grind for hours to simulate real poker action. Instead of trying to use it as practice they use it for entertainment only by betting crazy. Wish I could tell you there is a way.

#33 May 21st, 2019, 2:13 PM

I found myself in this exact situation shortly after I got married and we had a baby. Online wasn't an option for me (still isn't until this July) and I couldn't get a whole lot of time to make it out to the casino or to play in private games. I wanted to "train" for my next tournament, but didn't really see a good way. Play money games are a joke. Nobody takes them seriously, so you can't use them to prepare for a real tournament. So, I decided to pull out an old 2008 WSOP Xbox 360 game, create a poker "career" and play against the computer opponents. I was surprised to find that it actually plays like a real tournament. The computer players are based on real professional poker players. So, you'll be playing in a tournament with players like Annie Duke, Chris Ferguson and Erick Lindgren. The AI is pretty decent. If a hand gets to showdown, you'll generally be able to make sense of why your opponents played a certain way. I seriously suggest you give it a shot. I found this WAY better than playing play money games that are nothing more than just shove fests.

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