Poker coach worth it?

#1 September 1st, 2016, 6:28 AM

i want to take poker serious and I want to lose as least as possible. I've read some horror stories online about bad experiences with these coaches. What are your thoughts on poker coach? Is it better to learn on your own with a HUD?

#2 September 1st, 2016, 7:39 AM

If you're just starting out then I'd say don't bother, you'll get a lot more from just reading, posting hands for analysis and asking questions on here about spots that give you trouble.

One-on-one coaching tends to be very expensive, and is a probably a better fit for when you've been playing a lot longer, have moved up some in stakes and have specific problems you'd like to work on.

#3 September 1st, 2016, 8:30 AM

Originally Posted by OzExorcist

If you're just starting out then I'd say don't bother, you'll get a lot more from just reading, posting hands for analysis and asking questions on here about spots that give you trouble.

One-on-one coaching tends to be very expensive, and is a probably a better fit for when you've been playing a lot longer, have moved up some in stakes and have specific problems you'd like to work on.

That's what I mean, I figured I could learn more with experience. I see one of the things I have a lot of trouble with is when I raise preflop on MTT and I get a reraised all in. I am usually not confident about calling, specially if im on top 10

#4 September 1st, 2016, 4:49 PM

Why bother? There is so much information available by way of books, the web and good poker sites offering free tuition. A coach is liable to teach you his/her style of playing, which may or may not suit your personality. Save your money.

#5 September 1st, 2016, 8:17 PM

Some coaches worth every penny you spend.
some...are out dated.
depends on what you pick.

#6 September 1st, 2016, 8:19 PM

Try reading free stuff on the internet or in poker books you maybe can find in your library to start up with.

#7 September 1st, 2016, 8:59 PM

Man, i've been trying to study for an year now, gotta say that I didn't dedicate myself as I wish I would but yet, there's no point of paying a coach w/o at least knowing what you're looking for from them..

Study hard for an year or 2 and then you consider taking a coach for improve your game to the high profitable level

#8 September 1st, 2016, 9:47 PM

It depends on which limits you playing. If micro or low limits, you can find all the necessary information on the forums..

#9 September 1st, 2016, 10:22 PM

The trainer will cost you dearly. Better himself read and learn. I never thought to have a coach.

#10 September 1st, 2016, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Adict

i want to take poker serious and I want to lose as least as possible. I've read some horror stories online about bad experiences with these coaches. What are your thoughts on poker coach? Is it better to learn on your own with a HUD?

If your getting a coach, make sure that the person your hiring is a good player and will help You improve your play.

You can also learn from a virtual coach(Ace Poker Coach) if ever you don't find a good coach to teach you.

#11 September 2nd, 2016, 11:23 AM

Bought book "Poker for dummies" a while ago. While reading it i can feel my bankroll growing Poker coach worth it?

Not sure about coaching but i sure do belive in books that teach different strategy and ways to play.

#12 September 5th, 2016, 10:24 PM

Don't pay for coach. Read free e-Books. There are a lot.

#13 September 9th, 2016, 2:57 PM

The best coach is your mind and logic, read books, use commons sense, practise, analyze previous games. That's it.

#14 September 9th, 2016, 3:05 PM

If you have a head on his shoulders and he trained will profi.At wish.

#15 September 9th, 2016, 4:06 PM

to improve the game for me there is a specific type of training only pasiciencia and analyze your opponents

#16 September 9th, 2016, 6:10 PM

I'd hold off on a coach for a while, but in the long run, it's a great idea. I think pretty much every top player has had a coach at some point, mainly because poker is so complex, and you can get into mental ruts, that it's good to have someone outside of your own mental chatter to hear you, and give you feedback about your thought process.

Any ways, we have a free poker coaching thread I host on here:
https://www.cardschat.com/f11/polish.../index126.html

I do free coaching on Tuesdays, and we go over the polished poker e-book (free) and talk poker strategy. We have a lot of good people that follow the thread and are very helpful and good poker players.

I'd also plug leak buster, in terms of software to get an idea of how to analyze your online play. It will be cheaper and better than a coach right now.

#17 September 9th, 2016, 6:39 PM

don't pay for a coach

#18 September 10th, 2016, 1:24 AM

Originally Posted by Neboja

don't pay for a coach

had a bad experience with one?

#19 September 10th, 2016, 1:50 AM

Originally Posted by VictorOd

The best coach is your mind and logic, read books, use commons sense, practise, analyze previous games. That's it.

Wrong.

That's like saying best coach for Nate Diaz is just mind & logic.

#20 September 10th, 2016, 4:58 AM

I think you can make your own strategy.
I recommend you study for yourself, there are many schools of poker, books, videos, all free, why pay? Poker coach worth it?

#21 September 10th, 2016, 10:28 PM

I would not hire a poker coach until I had a gained a decent amount of experience, built a large bank roll and was playing for decent stakes regularly.

#22 September 11th, 2016, 5:59 PM

Poker coaching can be great, but you need to research your coach as much as possible. Check feedback from students etc.

#23 September 11th, 2016, 6:06 PM

It is ofcousable, but it is hard to find good one and not too expensive

#24 September 12th, 2016, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sidetracked

Poker coaching can be great, but you need to research your coach as much as possible. Check feedback from students etc.

Yes, exactly. Research and ask around.

But most importantly, don't listed to people telling you to get a coach or don't get a coach. You have to figure out what your goals are and what you can afford. If you can afford a coach, you can cut significant time off the learning curve and push your game forward very quickly. A lot of people don't know how to invest properly in themselves, and will do everything the hardest way possible.

I crushed mid and high stakes back in the day. And even though I was playing extremely well and winning a lot of money, I got a poker coach. Albeit on of the very best online players in the world at 1.25k/hr. But it was well worth it. It was what I needed to step up and outside of my own mind and play at a very high level.

If you can't afford a coach, or you don't think you know how much you like poker or what you'll do with it, then start small. There are lots of decent free resources out there. A lot of times you'll get what you pay for, but some content is very good.

#25 September 12th, 2016, 8:21 PM

Today, many players with a reasonable graph (sharkescope) want to coach, look for a good coach who has a good dynamic game strategies, game vision is very good, because the poker theorist many know ... .

#26 September 13th, 2016, 2:43 PM

The coach is useless)) because it max can help you in parsing your hands.. nothing more..
But how to play he will not tell you, because every situation in poker is strictly individual

#27 September 13th, 2016, 8:15 PM

By the way, if you do want a coach, let me know. I know most of them out there extremely well. I've been around for a pretty long time now. I know the good ones, and who you can actually get good value from.

I don't coach micro/small stakes for money myself. Only mid/high stakes now a days, but I know several people I can connect you to. And coaching is worth it if you can afford it. I'd say 99.35% of the absolute best players in the world have had coaching at some point in their poker careers. And it's for a reason. Successful people understand how to invest in themselves, and they do it wisely. It's what separates them from the rest of the pack in poker and life.

#28 September 14th, 2016, 12:34 AM

Try finding a player that u like there strategy and game style and read there book, no better way to learn than play as much as u can. I read negreanus book and it had a lot of basics but some solid info here and there same wi Phil hellmuths book, If u have twitch on Xbox/ps4/pc there is pros playing all day long and watch them for free, Doug Polk is on there, slot of people stream Barry green stein , Vanessa selbst, negreanu, elky

#29 September 14th, 2016, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by John A

By the way, if you do want a coach, let me know. I know most of them out there extremely well. I've been around for a pretty long time now. I know the good ones, and who you can actually get good value from.

I don't coach micro/small stakes for money myself. Only mid/high stakes now a days, but I know several people I can connect you to. And coaching is worth it if you can afford it. I'd say 99.35% of the absolute best players in the world have had coaching at some point in their poker careers. And it's for a reason. Successful people understand how to invest in themselves, and they do it wisely. It's what separates them from the rest of the pack in poker and life.

Why did you decide not to coach micro/small stakes? Was it because the money is not worth the effort?

Originally Posted by paulsmall007

Try finding a player that u like there strategy and game style and read there book, no better way to learn than play as much as u can. I read negreanus book and it had a lot of basics but some solid info here and there same wi Phil hellmuths book, If u have twitch on Xbox/ps4/pc there is pros playing all day long and watch them for free, Doug Polk is on there, slot of people stream Barry green stein , Vanessa selbst, negreanu, elky

This is actually good advice. I am not very well connected to the poker community as much as I would like too. The only poker pro's I know are the "celebrity(?)" ones. I've never been on twitch before, I'm going to try to look em up by name.

#30 September 14th, 2016, 11:48 PM

I dont think its worth it. Unless your playing for a big money.

#31 September 15th, 2016, 12:09 AM

Just be careful before you hire someone to coach you. Speak to some of their students to make sure it is something you can benefit from. The right coaching can pay for itself quickly.

#32 September 15th, 2016, 4:35 AM

Originally Posted by Adict

Why did you decide not to coach micro/small stakes? Was it because the money is not worth the effort?

Exactly. I can make way more just playing. But I do some free coaching on cardschat here to help CC out and to promote my brand. We have a lot of good people in here, so I'd highly recommend it as a first step since it won't cost you anything and you can make some poker friends and learn from the group.

https://www.cardschat.com/f11/polish.../index126.html

#33 September 15th, 2016, 4:40 AM

Originally Posted by John A

Exactly. I can make way more just playing. But I do some free coaching on cardschat here to help CC out and to promote my brand. We have a lot of good people in here, so I'd highly recommend it as a first step since it won't cost you anything and you can make some poker friends and learn from the group.

https://www.cardschat.com/f11/polish.../index126.html

Yea i downloaded the book. Its really handy.

What stakes do you play at

#34 September 15th, 2016, 4:50 AM

I am not a fan of the coach, because I like to read, and i think there is no different information that a coach can give, except for hearing it instead of reading it and absorbing it. Everyone has their own niche, and I guess to each there own...

#35 September 15th, 2016, 4:59 AM

Originally Posted by John A

I'd say 99.35% of the absolute best players in the world have had coaching at some point in their poker careers. And it's for a reason. Successful people understand how to invest in themselves, and they do it wisely. It's what separates them from the rest of the pack in poker and life.

+1

OP, there is a lot of free / low priced material that will give you a solid baseline for being a winning player at small stakes. I think there are even some good resources for mid stakes. At the high stakes, you have to either pay for coaching, have a group that plays high stakes and will talk hands with you, and or find someone in the high stakes world that will swap your mid stake action for coaching (essentially the same as paying for coaching with better value +EV).

#36 September 15th, 2016, 5:17 AM

poker coaches are for elite players or people that are trying to become an elite player. for people that just play a few hours a day there is enough info on youtube and twitch and countless websites for the average player to absorb in my opinion. as long as your always learning and thinking and adapting you don't really need a coach

#37 September 15th, 2016, 9:29 PM

I like to read and play and learn from my mistakes as well as watch others play poker on TV. I just think people have individual styles with poker. I want to develop my own not try and do it someone else's way. Having said that I could see how a coach could help train you to keep track of the pot size in a live game and calculate your pot odds etc. I know I should be doing this, but sometimes I'm a little lazy Poker coach worth it?

#38 September 17th, 2016, 2:35 PM

Would like some details on coaching from micro-mid stakes

#39 September 17th, 2016, 3:12 PM

there are many poker school available online that are absolutely free... i would suggest first learn from this free material... Buy some books related to poker strategy... and the most important is to play as much as possible..Because you can learn poker in a day, but to master poker it takes a life time

#40 September 18th, 2016, 5:28 PM

Remember that if someone wants something and fight for that desire you can reach it. The internet has a lot of content, our CC forum has a lot of content, read, study and good luck! On the other hand, if you feel safer and think you learn easier, why not? Good luck!

#41 September 19th, 2016, 10:24 PM

time and experience is better than anything of course reading will help just have to play and gain knolege

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