pocket aces or kings

ive never figured it out slow play or not. i figure it deepends where in a tourney you are. how much of a stack of chips you have. earlier in a tourney i always wanted to slow play till the fourth card then start betting big. what is the proper strategy and what do people here do

Just play them fast, standard raise preflop to 3xbb + 1 per limp, and re-evaluate post flop.

Waiting until the turn to play them, well thats just plain bad poker, unimpoved overpairs will usually lose a big betting battle on the turn.

Like tenbob said, Just play them hard. Slow playing hands like that, by and large, will result in you loosing alot of money. Like everyone says, there is no never's or always in poker, but 99% of the time you should be playing hands like that for value, especially when you are in the lower limits. You will almost always get paid off big by someone with a drawing hand or even top or second pair. Just make sure that when you are playing you make sure not to give anyone on a drawing hand the proper odds to call you and make sure you read the board and don't just keep dumping chips when that forth suited card comes up or someone obviously just made their straight.

I would rather win the blinds with AA than try to trap with them, experience has taught me that.

I would go along with tenbobs advice. Limit the opposition and then if anyone stays in you have a chance to win a big pot.

tenbob said:

Just play them fast, standard raise preflop to 3xbb + 1 per limp, and re-evaluate post flop.

Waiting until the turn to play them, well thats just plain bad poker, unimpoved overpairs will usually lose a big betting battle on the turn.

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:dito: I have seen slow playing AA and or KK and the outcome not be good, you also let any one with pocket pairs, to see the flop.
Not betting and slow playing them you will also end up with less in the pot.

It depends a lot on the table!
You do not want to play against more players!
Cause than it will more possible to losse your aces or kings....
If you get many callers then raise.
If you know that someone likes to raise than you can slow play your hand sometime...

When I have AA I move all in preflop, with KK I also move all in preflop because of the tough decision to fold after flop if an ace is on the board and you are faced with a healthy raise.

There are so many variations to this question... alot depends on the type of players at the table and the speed of the game. Learning to read the table is all part of the fun!

tenbob said:

Just play them fast, standard raise preflop to 3xbb + 1 per limp, and re-evaluate post flop.

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This works for me against unknowns.

thanks for all your advice, i guess i have to learn there is no sure winning cards preflop my number 1 mistake

fatnestor said:

I would rather win the blinds with AA than try to trap with them, experience has taught me that.

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HMmmm... if AA is only worth buying the blinds, what cards do you use to really play poker with? Pkt 7's ? A,Jo ?

uncc40niners said:

When I have AA I move all in preflop, with KK I also move all in preflop because of the tough decision to fold after flop if an ace is on the board and you are faced with a healthy raise.

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AA is one pair - nothing more. Why not use AA and KK (2 top starting hands in poker) to make some chips with? Or does buying the blinds keep your sessions profitable?

Yep, all-in pf with KK certainly removes the tough decision of having to fold them after the flop. That way you can risk ALL your chips before any cards are seen and you can go home to pack the bags since you lost the farm betting it all preflop and that Ace hit the board anyway ...

KK I always play hard AA I play sometimes slow depends on the table, my experience told me best is to raise 3BB before flop with KK if someone makes an all in I go with but as you know in a starting freeroll some donks go all in with any hand and sometimes they hit with their crap like 25 two pairs and KK or AA is nothing worth after that ..oh well .....

Like almost everything in poker the right move is situational. However, unless you are playing where no one is paying attention, you have to vary your play or you will become predictable and you won't win much with you strong pre-flop hands. So you should "slow play" your aces a small percentage of the time. I prefer to slow play pocket aces when I have a reliably LAG player on my left so I can three bet with my aces.

While it is frustrating not to get paid off on these massive hands, it is better in the long run to bet out. Ya might not get paid every time but you also will not fall victim to a suckout as often.

I hate gettin beaten by a low flush or something with AA or KK. The worst beat I've taken would have to be KK vs 69 os. I was in late position and almost everyone limped in. I decided to pot raise and got 2 callers. Flop came 2d3c7s. Pot raised again and got 1 caller.

At this point I figured all I could be behind to was a set and I didn't think the guy had 1. Turn came 8d. There was no way I could put him on a flush or straight draw and I was pot commited at this stage, so i went all-in. The idiot called. He was pot committed and had an up and down straight draw at this point I know, but he had no right to be in the hand til now!!

I was happy to see his hand, until I saw the 5c on the river. How cruel it was but as they say, THAT'S POKER.

With AA I play em hard because if i dont the next thing I know is they hit two pair or a set.Early on in a tourney i see people sove kk all the time and some fishstick with Ace rag calls and hits his ace.I like to bet three or four times the blind preflop with kings or enough to get some people to fold because you dont want 5 people callin here.Then depending on the flop a strike from there.

i always play aces fast, but kings always give me trouble. still though you should always play them fast to push out str8 and flush drawing hands and hopefully get lower pairs to call. Don't be bullheaded just because you have aces though, like the song says, "you gotta know when to hold'em, and know when to fold'em."

play kings hard in every position because if you just limp and nobody raise you will be in trouble if there is an ace in the flop... aces could play slower in earlier positions however they are just a pair and if you dont play hard you chances of winning a hand will decrease.... ( more limpers less chances)

USUALLY you never slow play aces or kings! why is that? well the obvious
reason is because you dont wanna get beat by some limper and lose a
lot of money to 2 pairs, which will happen since no one backs down aces,
or at least almost no one. Plus if you have kings, you definitly deffinnittlyy
dont wanna limp in. What if someone has Ace Ten? A hand many would fold
to, but if theres a limper with that then if he catches the Ace, wohoo he
beat you, but if he misses, alright he lost a blind and better luck next time,
but he had the chance of taking the pot away from you and all because
you didnt raise him in the beginning! I Think its a terrible thing to do... to
slow play that kind of pair... well thats just me.

RA2000 said:

It depends a lot on the table!
You do not want to play against more players!
Cause than it will more possible to losse your aces or kings....
If you get many callers then raise.
If you know that someone likes to raise than you can slow play your hand sometime...

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i think that this is something that is very true. Sometimes if i'm sitting at an aggressive table i'll limp UTG with these hands and reraise any raiser. If i'm in a table full of unknowns, i'll just play them like i'd normally play big hands 3xbb etc.

fatnestor said:

I would rather win the blinds with AA than try to trap with them, experience has taught me that.

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I feel that ....
I couldn't have stated it any better.

Take what you can get and move on.
Play it slow and get some Donk to suck out and take your chips.
Of course there are so many that will disagree with us.

Slow Play Suggestion:
Slow play preflop and see what situation you are presented with.
Play it from there.



Good Luck

never try to catch more players with a call,its a teribble mistake,cous you can lose very easy(i told you this from my own experience)...just make a raise,if all folds no problem...