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Hello everyone, I'd like to ask many questions (Different questions), yet they will "Hopefully stay on topic:D "...

1st question is in PLO where can I find free videos for learning the game, for the micro stakes?

2nd question is, is it ok to do the same thing over and over and over again? I mean I understand that by doing the same moves over and over, that you become more easy to read/predictable. Yet would it really be wise to switch it up (Now keep in mind this is at the micro levels also).

3rd question which also has to do with my question prior about the repetitive moves, is C/R more better when HU in PLO rather then donk betting...I realize this question is more towards the type of player your facing at that moment, but I just wanted a general Idea about it...

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pokerstars Pot-Limit Omaha, €0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (€9.38)
BB (€0.93)
UTG (€0.83)
MP (€2)
Button (€0.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2
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, 6
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, Q
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, Q
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UTG bets €0.08, MP calls €0.08, 1 fold, Hero calls €0.07, 1 fold

Flop: (€0.27) 6
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, Q
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, 10
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(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets €0.26, 1 fold, Hero raises to €1.04, UTG calls €0.49 (All-In)

Turn: (€1.77) 8
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(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (€1.77) A
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(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: €1.77 | Rake: €0.06
 
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In the example, I can't comment on anything generally wrong with the CR because you are in a better position than me as far as knowing Hero's tendencies. It appears that you exercised a good anticipatory read of his all-in. The objective on this flop was to get his chips in, and you did that. Secondly, even though you've flopped a nice full house, you don't want to give him free draws to a better full house or low (if hi lo split); therefore, a bet of some kind out of position would be understandable and possibly encouraged.
1. There are some videos on Full Tilt that I do remember viewing about PLO. These videos may be lurking around, and there are plenty more articles from their pros available online regarding PLO and Fixed Limit.
2. You should vary your play to keep pace with the dynamics of the table and can disguise your style in many ways and adjust to each player. Don't be afraid to occasionally be caught playing garbage hands or bluffing, since you need some action. You generally want people to think that you are a loose or weaker player than they are. Obviously, you do not want to be predictable -- but you want to appear as easily read and predictable.
3. You should be willing to employ and be seen demonstrating both. Each move can provoke different responses that only you would know after reading the player. In your example, the CR worked. Against an aggressive player, donk bets or blocking bets can incite raises and all-ins in response as well. They also ensure that a draw will cost them SOMETHING; A CR attempt runs the risk of allowing free cards through, which is a potentially VERY costly mistake. A donk bet may result in a fold (also bad if you wanted action). You should be seen performing CRs and donk bets to keep opponents off balance. That way, opponents may be hesitant to bet into you at times where you DO want a free card. Opponents will then know that a check or a bet out of position from you can be equally dangerous.
That's my own opinion, obviously.
 
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In the example, I can't comment on anything generally wrong with the CR because you are in a better position than me as far as knowing Hero's tendencies. 1.It appears that you exercised a good anticipatory read of his all-in. The objective on this flop was to get his chips in, and you did that. Secondly, even though 2.you've flopped a nice full house, you don't want to give him free draws to a better full house or low (if hi lo split); therefore, a bet of some kind out of position would be understandable and possibly encouraged.
1. There are some videos on Full Tilt that I do remember viewing about PLO. These videos may be lurking around, and there are plenty more articles from their pros available online regarding PLO and Fixed Limit.
2. You should vary your play to keep pace with the dynamics of the table and can disguise your style in many ways and adjust to each player. Don't be afraid to occasionally be caught playing garbage hands or bluffing, since you need some action. You generally want people to think that you are a loose or weaker player than they are. Obviously, you do not want to be predictable -- but you want to appear as easily read and predictable.
3. You should be willing to employ and be seen demonstrating both. Each move can provoke different responses that only you would know after reading the player. In your example, the CR worked. Against an aggressive player, donk bets or blocking bets can incite raises and all-ins in response as well. They also ensure that a draw will cost them SOMETHING; A CR attempt runs the risk of allowing free cards through, which is a potentially VERY costly mistake. A donk bet may result in a fold (also bad if you wanted action). You should be seen performing CRs and donk bets to keep opponents off balance. That way, opponents may be hesitant to bet into you at times where you DO want a free card. Opponents will then know that a check or a bet out of position from you can be equally dangerous.
That's my own opinion, obviously.

1. Hero had the nuts
2. Hero doesn't have a full house on flop, turn or river. He only has a set.
 
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1. Hero had the nuts
2. Hero doesn't have a full house on flop, turn or river. He only has a set.
Yup, you're right. It's late (USA). Can't modify post, but basic point remains. Hero has the set, but still doesn't want want to give villain a free draw to a better hand such as full house.
I was just focused on betting CR versus donk bet and whether he should be repetitive. I said no. You agree, right?
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Well thx for the in-put btw LHL. I really will try different approaches but should those only be geared to the same players when HU against them alone? So in this example I CR but lets assume against the same player again I'd donk bet to confuse them, then so forth and so on, and your also saying do the same thing but with bluffs, to keep them from reading your plays, and thus making you more predictable, and to also get you action when you do really hold a real hand?
 
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Well thx for the in-put btw LHL. I really will try different approaches but should those only be geared to the same players when HU against them alone? So in this example I CR but lets assume against the same player again I'd donk bet to confuse them, then so forth and so on, and your also saying do the same thing but with bluffs, to keep them from reading your plays, and thus making you more predictable, and to also get you action when you do really hold a real hand?

Don't get hung up about bluffing. Its very hard to bluff at micro stakes, especially in PLO. I had an up and down straight draw w/ a flush draw today against a guy who hit a 5 on the flop to make bottom pair and also had a gut shot, which was, in his mind, good enough to call 3/4 pot bet and hit his gut shot.

Betting your good draws when you're the pre-flop raiser is something I feel is almost compulsory. I'd re-raise with up and down straight flush draws as well. Opponents at micro stakes rarely make notes on you, so don't worry about being predictable are seeming to do something out of character.
 
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