Please.. help me. I lost 1/4 of my bankroll today

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Help me... please... I lose $5, 25% of my full bankroll. I just played general MSS. (6 buy-in lose what the...)

To be honest I think I don't know when should I stop playing poker and refresh my mind.... I think I lost lots of money at one day...

When should I leave poker table?. When should I stop playing poker?
 
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You were playing 2nl right? buyin 40bb or 50bb?

In general MSS is a bit swingy cuz you are alowed to take some thinner edge spots and still be at +ev cuz of the dead money that is why the swings can be big and that is why we need stricter BRM. IMO 20bucks is a bit short to start cash game with 20bi you can easily play money scared, i have started with 20 bucks that i won on CC FTP freeeroll, i almost lost it when i droped to under 12 but luckily got back and rebuild...

I dont think that the stop loss is an issue here. You stop when you start playing bad if you were taking good spots and still loosing you should keep playing, but if you see that youre tilting you should quit...

Maybe you havent fully understood MSS and your game need fixing a bit...

I have been playing mss for a while now, can you share in short what concepts youre following and what materials you used to learn mss, i might help you a bit, im no expert im breaking even 10nl for last 60k hands but im still might be helpfull at 2/5nl...
 
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DrazaFFT said:
You were playing 2nl right? buyin 40bb or 50bb?

In general MSS is a bit swingy cuz you are alowed to take some thinner edge spots and still be at +ev cuz of the dead money that is why the swings can be big and that is why we need stricter BRM. IMO 20bucks is a bit short to start cash game with 20bi you can easily play money scared, i have started with 20 bucks that i won on CC FTP freeeroll, i almost lost it when i droped to under 12 but luckily got back and rebuild...

I dont think that the stop loss is an issue here. You stop when you start playing bad if you were taking good spots and still loosing you should keep playing, but if you see that youre tilting you should quit...

Maybe you havent fully understood MSS and your game need fixing a bit...

I have been playing mss for a while now, can you share in short what concepts youre following and what materials you used to learn mss, i might help you a bit, im no expert im breaking even 10nl for last 60k hands but im still might be helpfull at 2/5nl...
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I learned MSS from pokerstrategy. byt I adjust Some part.
however, I don't know how to play top-pair effectively vs 2nl unknown

now.. I have 18buy-in. what should I do?
 
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My vpip is 11 pfr is 9 3bp is 3
I usually go all in with TPGK. (at least Q)
I don't know how to control 3-bet pot on mss.
here is information about my playstyle.
 
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for sure i cant give you usefull information about how to play. but i think if u crying when lose 5$ u must to start from freeroll and read some stategy threads! i know some players (ofcourse i am one of them :( ) who build bankroll from month to half a year and lose ALL in one single game / one hand, lol. and nothing! always have a second chance/ so, dont pissing! :D and Good Luck
 
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omote23 said:
My vpip is 11 pfr is 9 3bp is 3
I usually go all in with TPGK. (at least Q)
I don't know how to control 3-bet pot on mss.
here is information about my playstyle.
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That seems OKish but 3bet is too low, MSS ranges should be overall bit tighter that 100bb, do you play 6max or full ring. When i played at FTP i had similar stats but 3bet was higher 6 i think. Now im playing 19/15/7

Have you defined your ranges to open from each position? 3bet is pretty nice explained at pokerstrategy articles, you know that you should have 3bet value and 3bet bluff, you stackoff your value and you fold your bluff range. Basically TPGK is stackoff on flop with 40-50bb JJ+(maybe TT)/AK are stackoff pre. AKo in a 3bet pot where you have cold caller between opener and 3bettor is a +ev stackoff against pairs beside 43-15%equity cuz of the dead money that compensate.

I think that already told you, check the thread in my sig, there are bunch of the hands that are played bad and that are commented by LD1970 and other that can help you a lot.
 
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DrazaFFT said:
That seems OKish but 3bet is too low, MSS ranges should be overall bit tighter that 100bb, do you play 6max or full ring. When i played at FTP i had similar stats but 3bet was higher 6 i think. Now im playing 19/15/7

Have you defined your ranges to open from each position? 3bet is pretty nice explained at pokerstrategy articles, you know that you should have 3bet value and 3bet bluff, you stackoff your value and you fold your bluff range. Basically TPGK is stackoff on flop with 40-50bb JJ+(maybe TT)/AK are stackoff pre. AKo in a 3bet pot where you have cold caller between opener and 3bettor is a +ev stackoff against pairs beside 43-15%equity cuz of the dead money that compensate.

I think that already told you, check the thread in my sig, there are bunch of the hands that are played bad and that are commented by LD1970 and other that can help you a lot.
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hehe thanks!. :) I'm watching your -EV thread xD
 
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So.. is it wrong play??
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Meh - I don't play that way but my real point is you are going get some big bankroll swings if you are consistently looking to get it all in with only top pair at the flop. It's not like I have never done it, but I am usually looking at playing the whole hand, not just the flop. At least I assume you mean the flop cause pushing the river w TPGK would be pretty suicidal.
 
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Meh - I don't play that way but my real point is you are going get some big bankroll swings if you are consistently looking to get it all in with only top pair at the flop. It's not like I have never done it, but I am usually looking at playing the whole hand, not just the flop. At least I assume you mean the flop cause pushing the river w TPGK would be pretty suicidal.
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oh.... So. how to play top pair effectively on 40BB stack vs unknown
bet-fold? check-fold? bet-raise? bet-call? etc?...
 
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At 40bb TPGK is an allin hand, 2overs+FD is an allin hand, monster draw, combo draw are both all in hands. Thats how you play MSS, edges are thin there that is why its so swingy, that is why you need deeper br and stricter brm
 
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At 40bb TPGK is an allin hand, 2overs+FD is an allin hand, monster draw, combo draw are both all in hands. Thats how you play MSS, edges are thin there that is why its so swingy, that is why you need deeper br and stricter brm
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Yeah, that's why I say "Meh" - it's not that I won't do it - it's just not an instamove for me. Others it may be and I don't criticize that. But just like Draza is saying and I said before - those kind of swings are going to be very normal when playing it that way. It's not wrong but when variance catches your ass (and it will) you have to have the confidence to hold the course - if you are playing well. It will mess with your head though, if you let it.
 
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