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I had A♣Q♥ and the flop is 5♦J♥Q♠. I think i have the best hand and bet. One person sitting after me is calling. The turn is 2♣, i bet again, he is calling. The river is 7♦, i bet again, he is reraising, i call. He has J♦Q♣. Am i doing something wrong or is this just bad luck? It is 2% change of flopping 2 pair!!
 
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sometimes i fall for that hand alot.ive learned to play it cautiously in the early stages
 
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When the river card came out, you should be thinking by then what possible cards he was holding.
 
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I don't see much merit in betting the river, I mean clubs and diamonds plus other straight draws all missed. Why not check and call the river so we induce bluffs ? It also stops us facing a potential raise on the river which we should be folding by the way. It seems thin trying to get paid by a worse Q on the river when he calls the flop and turn. What exactly are you hoping calls your river bet that we beat? KQ exactly? If so...you really need to start putting players on a range of hands, not specific ones.

Also, give some information on if this is tournament, cash and effective stack sizes to make this easier.
 
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It was a cash game. I understand your point by not betting the river, i was hoping that he was holding something like top pair but a bad kicker.
 
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After reading your answer some times now i see it was really stupid betting the river, it is a thing that will lose money in any situation
 
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I am also unable to drop top pairs that are beaten. I make a point to spot them, telling myself that in order to win a tournament I have to drop at least one top pair. It hasn't worked yet...

What does help a tad is asking yourself if you want to play a big pot here. Perhaps check back the turn instead we only have a pair, try and pick up tells when he starts firing. Is this the best spot to get our money in, maybe wait for a more ideal/profitable spot to come.

Good luck!.. and if you manage to drop that top pair successfully without losing too much let us know.
 
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Thanks! Try to read the other guy's answer, it really helps me to understand the situation
 
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You shouldn't punish yourself, you didn't play it terribly, board was fairly dry and the other guy sucked out at two pair and this is a spot that most of the good players around would lose money to a complete uknown.

One thing that you should notice is that, on the other hand, you should know that you won't get three streets of value with just TPTK out of position. I would probably check/call the river.
 
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I agree, I made a mistake when i bet the river, but I was also unlucky when he flopped two pair
 
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I don't see much merit in betting the river, I mean clubs and diamonds plus other straight draws all missed. Why not check and call the river so we induce bluffs ? It also stops us facing a potential raise on the river which we should be folding by the way. It seems thin trying to get paid by a worse Q on the river when he calls the flop and turn. What exactly are you hoping calls your river bet that we beat? KQ exactly? If so...you really need to start putting players on a range of hands, not specific ones.

Also, give some information on if this is tournament, cash and effective stack sizes to make this easier.

Let me see if you agree with me.

I could see loose passive KJ, JT and QT calling the river. It was by no means a terrible played hand. Problem isn't what would call and what would not call. Thing is: he played out of position. If you bet the flop and the turn out of position and your opponent calls, it looks just as possible that your opponent is slowplaying a monster or just floating worse hands looking for you to show weakness to make a move with middle pair or ace high. But if the villain check/calls the flop and turn, well... That doesn't look like floating, and checking behind the flop is a very good play for us. To be out of position made the scenario very tough to make reads.

I'd love you guys analysing this hand without knowing the hole cards.
 
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IMO, bad Lucky, because he until to the river did not represent better hands than yours, and the turn and river were the blinks , which made you lose was he confused you with that slow play .
 
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Bad lucky for sure , he could be holding QK, or weaker Q so you cant fold that hand for sure .
 
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