playing too tight?

Dealer: Seat 10
Seat 1: FunSun (4,968 in chips)
Seat 2: rakingchips (12,565 in chips)
Seat 3: MethylONE (6,675 in chips)
Seat 4: SirStoney (5,289 in chips)
Seat 5: deerman2360 (4,451 in chips)
Seat 6: PirateNun (1,585 in chips)
Seat 7: JessePeace (10,778 in chips)
Seat 8: Trezm0 (11,815 in chips)
Seat 9: SurfincitySD (5,736 in chips)
Seat 10: joeydynamite (7,181 in chips)
FunSun: posts ante of 30
rakingchips: posts ante of 30
MethylONE: posts ante of 30
SirStoney: posts ante of 30
deerman2360: posts ante of 30
PirateNun: posts ante of 30
JessePeace: posts ante of 30
Trezm0: posts ante of 30
SurfincitySD: posts ante of 30
joeydynamite: posts ante of 30
FunSun: posts small blind 150
rakingchips: posts big blind 300
Dealt to SirStoney [Qd,Jh]
MethylONE: folds
SirStoney: folds
deerman2360: folds
PirateNun: calls 300
JessePeace: folds
Trezm0: folds
SurfincitySD: folds
joeydynamite: folds
FunSun: calls 150
rakingchips: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs,6h,7h]
FunSun: checks
rakingchips: checks
PirateNun: checks
*** TURN *** K♥
FunSun: checks
rakingchips: checks
PirateNun: checks
*** RIVER *** 9♦
FunSun: bets 1,200
rakingchips: folds
PirateNun: folds
FunSun: returns uncalled bet 1,200
***SHOW DOWN***
FunSun: mucks
FunSun wins 1,200

is this playin too tight? i had QJ and i folded should i of raised wit QJ here or flat? i dint wanna get raised..n nobody even called surprsiingly they dint. i recently started to play a tighter game and its got me playin less hands. i guess iono is it makin me weaker?..

Need to evaluate stack sizes in relation to the blinds, along with types of players (& their stack sizes) on your left & the general dynamic of the table.
'Typically' here with 18bb I'd be tightening my range & I'm in early position so I'd just fold.

This is a totally standard fold, don't be results oriented.

In early position, an easy fold. Maybe even late.

I don't really know about folding here, flat calling is alright but you have to be willing to fold to a raise.
I would call for the simple fact of broadway, and this coming from a player who plays tight 85% of the time.

shinedown.45 said:

I don't really know about folding here, flat calling is alright but you have to be willing to fold to a raise.
I would call for the simple fact of broadway, and this coming from a player who plays tight 85% of the time.

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I hate limping in here. There are so many bad spots you end up putting yourself in and with 35BB I don't think a limp is justifiable here.

Sorry, I have been drinking and after doing some calculations, I have to admit, that this is a fold pre-flop.
You have an "M" of just a little over 7 which dictates this is a push/fold position.
But with that "M" factor I'm usually pushing this, but that's just my opinion.
Why am I pushing this? you may ask.
It's connected broadway.

Sorry if I contradict myself but I am leaning towards a push here considering my stack size and that no-one has called or raised before me.

I never push here, it's a fold 100% of the time It's a horrible spot to push in.

edit: don't know why I said we were 35BB deep earlier, I presume I looked at SB instead of BB, still an obvious fold though.

shinedown.45 said:

Sorry, I have been drinking and after doing some calculations, I have to admit, that this is a fold pre-flop.
You have an "M" of just a little over 7 which dictates this is a push/fold position.
But with that "M" factor I'm usually pushing this, but that's just my opinion.
Why am I pushing this? you may ask.< umm.. is it because you're drinking?
It's connected broadway.

Sorry if I contradict myself but I am leaning towards a push here considering my stack size and that no-one has called or raised before me.

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Nobody's raised before you because you're sitting in UTG1.. there's only one f'n player to fold ahead of ya.
w 17.5bb's in UTG+1 w QJo... this would be a FOLD

ok cool im doin the right thing. also what if you were one away from being in the bubble and your raised all in by the other guy wit the same stack size as you would you call this? i mean he raised all on my button like twice. and this seem like the best hand ive had for awhile. well it was the best hand i had til i lost. i felt like i shoulda took a gamble and called this hand cuz i ended up losin anywys everyone was just foldin cuz the blinds were so high
Dealer: Seat 4
Seat 2: ahulius (60,779 in chips)
Seat 3: siawaynam (97,271 in chips)
Seat 4: SirStoney (36,796 in chips)
Seat 5: brettv (146,388 in chips)
Seat 6: McDMC80 (54,646 in chips)
Seat 8: EdHaskell (36,300 in chips)
Seat 9: rakingchips (99,184 in chips)
Seat 10: aOSIDDFG (34,136 in chips)
ahulius: posts ante of 500
siawaynam: posts ante of 500
SirStoney: posts ante of 500
brettv: posts ante of 500
McDMC80: posts ante of 500
EdHaskell: posts ante of 500
rakingchips: posts ante of 500
aOSIDDFG: posts ante of 500
brettv: posts small blind 2,500
McDMC80: posts big blind 5,000
Dealt to SirStoney [Ad,6d]
EdHaskell: folds
rakingchips: folds
aOSIDDFG: is all in 33,636
ahulius: folds
siawaynam: folds
SirStoney: folds
brettv: folds
McDMC80: folds
McDMC80: mucks
aOSIDDFG: returns uncalled bet 28,636
***SHOW DOWN***
aOSIDDFG: mucks
aOSIDDFG wins 16,500

Both easy folds. Loosening up your game is not merely about playing more hands but doing so effectively, which tens to means being more aggressive. Limping QJo in EP is clearly not aggressive. It's loose passive.

As for the second hand, what do you think his range is? A6s is a hand that's probably a bit ahead of a small part of his range, and well behind the rest.

Call A6s from BB if he shoved from Btn or Sb

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Arjonius said:

Both easy folds. Loosening up your game is not merely about playing more hands but doing so effectively, which tens to means being more aggressive. Limping QJo in EP is clearly not aggressive. It's loose passive.

As for the second hand, what do you think his range is? A6s is a hand that's probably a bit ahead of a small part of his range, and well behind the rest.

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i was thinkin his range was K'x cuz thats what he had before he had K6 and river some dude wit pockets. so i was thinkin he might try it again. tho i was so close to the bubble i wanted to wait for a better hand and that ended up being my best hand of the night so yea..i prolly shoulda called atleast now i know it wouldnt be such a bad call right?

Kx is in the optimistic part of his range, the part you're ahead of. But you can't be very far ahead, no matter what the x is. Otoh, if he has a pair, you have three outs most of the time. If he has an A, you're dominated most of the time. And there are more players still to act, any of whom could have been dealt a real hand. Easy fold.

Arjonius said:

Kx is in the optimistic part of his range, the part you're ahead of.

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In other words you have not fully explored or respected his range - he could just as easily have an A and a 7, 8, 9, T, J, Q, K to go with it.
His action at such an early position makes it a little less likely he is just making a move for blinds (even though I have done it). If everyone had folded to you you would have been fine to shove yourself, but to call - I don't think so. It's a fold.

Hand#2826014999000078 - Rome (6-max) 14999 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2011/12/30 - 16:52:58
Dealer: Seat 3
Seat 1: DeepLom ($1.80 in chips)
Seat 2: poyraz1453 ($2.31 in chips)
Seat 3: isno? ($1.14 in chips)
Seat 8: Stoneyman ($1.51 in chips)
Seat 9: this.setTilt ($3.78 in chips)
Seat 10: omgthe979 ($4.33 in chips)
Stoneyman: posts small blind $0.02
this.setTilt: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to Stoneyman [Th,Td]
omgthe979: raises to $0.12
DeepLom: folds
poyraz1453: folds
isno?: folds
Stoneyman: calls $0.10
this.setTilt: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h,6c,Tc]
Stoneyman: checks
omgthe979: bets $0.19
Stoneyman: calls $0.19
*** TURN *** [6d]
Stoneyman: checks
omgthe979: bets $0.44
Stoneyman: calls $0.44
*** RIVER *** [7c]
Stoneyman: is all in $0.76
omgthe979: folds
Stoneyman: returns uncalled bet $0.76
***SHOW DOWN***
Stoneyman: mucks
Stoneyman wins $1.44

this was badd huh definit check? i knew he had nothing anyways but iono y i went all in got excited? pretty sure he wasnt gona bet any more

Worst thing about this hand is playing 4NL with 38BB.

Any reads? 6 handed I prefer 3-betting pre but stack doesn't leave us with much room to play much poker.

yea he would raise preflop and c-bet and bet turn den check the river..often..so thats y i went all in this hand hopin he had something if not atlest i dint let him check river... but you would reraise with 10s? on a 6 max table?

smokeme said:

i recently started to play a tighter game and its got me playin less hands. i guess iono is it makin me weaker?..

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sorry, but what? seems a bit weird that your shocked that playing tight has you playing less hands.. that IS playing tight lol

(try multitabling if your bored)

and yeah it is a fold in EP with 17 bbs.. pretty standard. if your at a table that's consistently limping in like that then your raise is gonna get called anyway, even if that's the right play.. tighten up and open raise for a bit more maybe?

I dunno if this is right but I tend to make my raise size 3/4x in a tourney (instead of 2.5x) to set up the stack sizes a bit better for a flop bet/jam and/or a turn jam.. instead of having to awkwardly over jam flops etc :/

Raise smaller in tournaments, not larger.

smokeme said:

yea he would raise preflop and c-bet and bet turn den check the river..often..so thats y i went all in this hand hopin he had something if not atlest i dint let him check river... but you would reraise with 10s? on a 6 max table?

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Providng he wasn't a nit, yes.