Playing in an online game against really loose players

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Don't understand what the hell is going on. It's a 1.10 tournament full ring, early stages (blinds only just hit 75/150) but people are playing it as if it's 6-max, 3-betting with q9o, raising 4x UTG with 5d7d. This is really loose play, and I've seen it loose play advocated elsewhere.

Now, these people are losing atm. Money keeps changing hands. I just doubled up off the chip lead (who was eventually knocked off the table), when I bet with AQo from MP, he called with 66's pre, flop came A45, I bet out, he called, Q came on the turn, I bet 3/4 of the pot, he called, river came 7, I bet 1/2 the pot, he shoved, I called. But my question is, how are you supposed to play when you play loose? Is it just a question of being super aggressive and trying to get people to fold?
 
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There's a big difference between playing loose and doing so effectively. The latter involves, among other things, knowing when and against whom aggression is more likely to produce folds. On a broader level, since loose players face more marginal spots and decisions, being effective requires higher levels of hand- and player-reading ability. And being able to accept the higher variance that loose play produces.
 
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Reading between the lines here - but if you are asking how to fight fire with fire (loose versus loose) you are taking the wrong approach. Stay tight and play great hands (like AQ) against their crap and let them try to bluff you off. They are going to create huge pots and if you have the goods each time you can cruise to the final table. Let them play roulette while you play poker.
 
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I would say that is fairly standard terrible play at micro level buyins. Just because he was the chipleader in no way means he is competent. Bad players can't let go of pairs, flush draws, straight draws, etc. Take advantage of this by tightening up and ramming it down their throats when you get something good.
 
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Reading between the lines here - but if you are asking how to fight fire with fire (loose versus loose) you are taking the wrong approach. Stay tight and play great hands (like AQ) against their crap and let them try to bluff you off. They are going to create huge pots and if you have the goods each time you can cruise to the final table. Let them play roulette while you play poker.

Yeah that's pretty much what I thought. Unfortunately I wasn't able to cash big in this tournament. Doubled one person up when he shoved with AJ and I called with AK and he hit a J on the flop, then lost the rest of my stack when my JJ's ran into KK's preflop.
 
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How many are starting these tournaments?
 
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How many are starting these tournaments?

Usually very few, but the field get's up to about 4k once the buy in period closes.

When I bought into this one there were only 400 people playing at the beginning but by the end of the buy in period there were ~40000.
 
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in this table luck is more involved as this as they rasie with worst hands and call with worst hands and if the worst hand hit the flop hard and the you hit top pair or some pice of the flop you propley have to call him
 
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When I bought into this one there were only 400 people playing at the beginning but by the end of the buy in period there were ~40000.
WHAT? Either the late registration period is forever and there are a lot of people buying in all the way til a starting stack = 1BB or you have your numbers wrong.
 
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WHAT? Either the late registration period is forever and there are a lot of people buying in all the way til a starting stack = 1BB or you have your numbers wrong.

That was meant to read 4000. Extra zero.

Yeah played it again today but got knocked out early. Raised from button with As3s and got called by sb and bb. Flop cam Ah 4h 2c, check to me, I c-bet, got called twice. Turn came 3c I shoved, got called by big blind Kh 9h, heart came on the river.
 
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Back on this subject, I think I have a method to play against these types of players, but I wanna run it past you guys:

Preflop, no raises: Raise 5x with big hands (AJ+) because I'm almost certain to get a couple of callers. Limp/call with suited connectors because people will raise pre with ATC from Any Position (AP?)

Preflop, one raiser: Call with suited connectors from late position, increase my reraise range to AJ+ because people will raise pre with ATC; ignore positional play when making decisions.

Preflop shoves: fold unless holding big hands.

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Oh geez, I just cannot help at all beyond your odds are better buying scratch it tickets with that dollar. That's just one big luck, shove, suck-out fest. Ivey could bring his A game to this and would have big trouble cashing.
Consider another game where you can develop some good habits versus constantly watching other players benefit from their bad decisions/play.
 
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It sounds like you are talking about a game that is both loose and aggressive. I would just play tight and punish them with my premiums. If the game is playing just loose I would play a much wider range raising the limpers and betting most flops. Sometimes barreling.
 
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There's a big difference between playing loose and doing so effectively. The latter involves, among other things, knowing when and against whom aggression is more likely to produce folds. On a broader level, since loose players face more marginal spots and decisions, being effective requires higher levels of hand- and player-reading ability. And being able to accept the higher variance that loose play produces.
couldnt have been said better by anyone else, playing loose is a winning style these but it is far from abc poker. it takes a deeper understanding of the game to play like that profitably. i am just now analyzing and picking up this lag style of play myself.
 
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general abc poker.....tight with loose players and loose with tight players
 
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i have some basic knowledge about poker but do not know more about it how to play and what processes for it. actually i have read the book for play online bridge is it Similler or not? i have some issue ....
 
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It is something you have to feel comfortable with.

And totally agree with Arjonius.
 
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general abc poker.....tight with loose players and loose with tight players

You just contradicted yourself

you get the gist absoluthamm

You're right, I do understand that, but a beginning player(as in the OP) will not. ABC poker is sitting tight, playing your great hands only(and aggressively) and folding marginal and bad hands and not getting cute and playing out of that framework.

What you suggested with playing tight with a loose table and loose with a tight table is an example of mixing up your play based upon your opponents, which is a more advanced concept(granted, not advanced at all, but everything is advanced for beginners) for the beginning player to be able to wrap their head around. The majority of beginning players could barely tell you correctly if their own play is loose or tight, let alone the play of the 8 other players at their tables.
 
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the topic of this chat isnt about a beginning player its about how to play against loose players...abc poker is the way to do it and the i expand further by giving a very general playing style rule
 
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