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I Have A Serious Problem Playing Out Of My Roll I Will Play 2-5 Hold Em And Plo With A 2k Roll,But I'm That Confident In My Game Is This A Bad Thing?
 
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Doesn't matter how confident you are in your game... playing on a 4BI bankroll will end badly. No matter how good you are you will always suffer swings and 4BI is nothing to cover these losses.

Just think, you run AA into KK, you still lose 1 in 5 times and if that happens you lose 25% of your bankroll in one hand. You turn the nut flush and GII against a set, he hits his 20% and, oh wait, you lose 25% of your bankroll. You get your set in against a SD and FD, you lose 50% of the time and, yep, that's another 25% gone.

All of the above happens to me on a daily basis... my bankroll allows for these swings.

If you don't want to go broke, stop. PLO on a 4BI bankroll is nothing short of stupid tbh...

That is all of course unless you have an endless pit of money to replenish your bankroll... in which case f*ck it, do as you like. Hell, play higher!
 
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I say from my own experience, the game is not bankroll always end badly ....
 
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If you don't have the patience to play within your bankroll, then you lack one of the most important skills to being a winning player. Learn the basics of BRM and still to them rigorously, or you're doomed to failure.
 
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Being confident =/= you can beat that level.

Condeck already mentioned what could, and probably will, happen playing with 4 buy-ins, so I won't repeat. All I'll say is that if you're confident in your game, then drop down to 25nl-50nl and multi-table. You'll play more tables and you'll have the bankroll to back it up. Then move up as your BR grows.
 
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Wow, just no...

You aren't gonna have that roll much longer. If you think you'll never experience a -4BI down you're delusional.
 
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Even a professional could suffer more than 15-20 buy-in downswing.So for proper brm in cash game it is recommended that you have at least 20-50 buy-in.
 
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It would really a disaster if you play out of your roll even how confident you are.

Must follow a BRM system.

Consider poker as a long term thing that needs systematic grinding.
 
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Ideal bankroll

How much should your roll be according to stakes?
 
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Take a chance

After you know the game. Be like Hollywood and Phil Helmoth. Didn't have much won a lot. They kinda heavy without the chance. You could be a fan like us or you could take your chance then come back. That can be a pain in the butt. The military is ok. At least you done in 20 years.
 
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A good safe roll would be 100x to 200x the stakes you are in. Keeps stress down and you will be able to handle the variance.
 
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Okay, yeah if you don't really take the game that seriously, or you're financing your poker play through other means, then sure who needs BRM? Who cares if you're a winner at lower stakes yet when you have $1k in your pocket and this $5/$10 action is so juiccccccy! If instead you keep your roll separate from other money, are looking to improve your game, move up in stakes, and manage your risk, then you need to utilize BRM.

You absolutely must have a MINIMUM of 20 buy-ins. This figure has been shown to provide decently sufficient protection against losing your bankroll due to variance. Plenty of players, myself included, prefer a larger number. The one caveat I'll make here are folks looking to start playing $1/$2 or whatever your lowest stakes are at your casino.

If for whatever reason you can't scratch together the $4k to be minimally rolled for $200nl then first you have to ask, "Should I really be putting this money I have on the felt?" If the answer is "Yes" or, "Shut up Mase" then let's put together what you can and start taking shots. I'll further suggest you take whatever you have to play with into 3+ bullets, yes even if that means short-stacking. People just don't play optimally when they know they're on a single buy in.

But don't you touch that $2/$5 until you have a minimum of $10,000 in your roll, I'm dead serious! Maybe you're thinking, "Whatever, I have $4,000 I can easily handle a $500 buy in".

But here's the thing, let's say you do sit, and on top of that stack that donkey who had $500 in front of him. Now you have $1,000 in your stack and life is great! Except your entire roll at this point is $4,500 and $1,000 of it is on the table right now. Are you really going to play optimally when you're facing a decision to put 22% of your entire roll in the middle? Here's a hint, you won't.

Ultimately BRM is about two things:
1) Minimize risk of ruin
2) Ensure bankroll will not affect poker decisions

#1 is why 20 buy ins is the minimum. This is required, in order to mathematically manage your risk of ruin.

Ultimately, the actual size of your roll should be whatever amount of buy ins provides psychological protection from variance. Those playing with too few BI's in their roll will tend to be weak-tight. They avoid +EV situations when variance is higher because they are worried about losing the pot. Conversely, a player properly rolled can sit down and simply focus on making +EV plays that present themselves, a much more beneficial position to be playing from.

So that wall of text is the long version of the answer to your question, "How many buy ins do I need?"

At least 20, probably more
 
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